The Vaccine

[Wake_Dude]

Sounds like you took offense my post.

From your perspective, perhaps. From mine, not a chance.

 

[Robconn]

Yeah I do wish mask were more effective. But from my experience maybe I’m just lucky so far.

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

@seanmclean Thanks for the insight and information. I appreciate the efforts here.

+1

Your summary is spot-on!

Jim

 

[Wake_Dude]

Yeah I do wish mask were more effective. But from my experience maybe I’m just lucky so far.

Agreed. Personally, in the hospital, I prefer P100s or PAPRs.

 

[BigN8]

Very sobering video. Hearing "apocalyptic" freaks the shit out of me.

'These people were in bad, bad shape.' A look inside of a Florida library converted to a Covid-19 treatment site | CNN

The scene at the Jacksonville main public library was haunting, Louis Lopez recalled. As he waited for a Covid-19 monoclonal antibody treatment, he saw people so sick they couldn't even stand.

www.cnn.com

 

[tabbibus]

Very sobering video. Hearing "apocalyptic" freaks the shit out of me.

'These people were in bad, bad shape.' A look inside of a Florida library converted to a Covid-19 treatment site | CNN

The scene at the Jacksonville main public library was haunting, Louis Lopez recalled. As he waited for a Covid-19 monoclonal antibody treatment, he saw people so sick they couldn't even stand.

www.cnn.com

I saw this. Heartbreaking and frustrating at the same time. Many of these folks don't want the "experimental vaccine" but then flock to get all the other shit we give them that truly is experimental.

Btw. My ICU is full. We opened up a new floor and filled it up right away. Some other non covid folks here need a bed with us and I can't help them because... You know. But vaccination only affects the unvaccinated right?

 

[tabbibus]

Many who where up in arms because "Obama care" was gonna create death panels have now forced us to triage people and act as such panels.

Vaccination Status May Be Considered To Get ICU Beds At Dallas-Area Hospitals If Covid Spread Worsens

Covid cases are skyrocketing with no signs of a slowdown there.

www.forbes.com

 

[Robconn]

Will insurance companies increase insurance premiums for non vaccinated as they already have for smokers for example? When the data to support increased medical costs with non vaccinated vs vaccinated start to become available I think it’s a strong possibility. Exemptions should be considered for those with pre-existing health issues that are not conducive to receiving a vaccine. From there it will be life insurance premiums up for the bidding. anyone with an insurance or actuarial background I would be most interested in your thoughts.

 

[tabbibus]

Guys, good data here!

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2109072?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%20%200pubmed

 

[Robconn]

Guys, good data here!

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2109072?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%20%200pubmed

Good to know. I have always assumed at some point I will test positive despite precautionary routines with the volume of unvaccinated covid positive patients. I would not be opposed to yearly antigen testing among high risk healthcare workers.

 

[Bruce]

Guys, good data here!

Thank you. That publication is really helpful for a discussion with other Duchenne parents about whether get a third dose for our young men who are on chronic corticosteroid doses and are somewhat immunosuppressed.

 

[Bluewater272]

Will insurance companies increase insurance premiums for non vaccinated as they already have for smokers for example? When the data to support increased medical costs with non vaccinated vs vaccinated start to become available I think it’s a strong possibility. Exemptions should be considered for those with pre-existing health issues that are not conducive to receiving a vaccine. From there it will be life insurance premiums up for the bidding. anyone with an insurance or actuarial background I would be most interested in your thoughts.

Most of us could probably count on fingers and toes the number of people who have an actual medical contraindication to getting vaccinated other than ' i DiD mY rEsEaRcH'.

 

[Bluewater272]

Guys, good data here!

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2109072?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%20%200pubmed

Sorry bub, too many big words for the fence sitters. LOL

 

[Ronnie]

When I was leaving the ER earlier this week I saw two tents just outside the door. I asked what they were and was told, temporary over flow tents used during Covid surges, not currently in use, if they had been I either would not have gotten in so quickly and/or been leaving so quickly either. Thankfully we have a high vaccination rate in this part of CA.

 

[adrianp89]

Sorry bub, too many big words for the fence sitters. LOL

More insults, really helps the fence sitters come to your side ?.

 

[Julian]

Thankfully 1 million people a day are now getting vaccinated!! The numbers are unassailable....it really is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

As for masks, the R0 is an important measure. Below is a link the what this means:

What Is R0? Gauging Contagious Infections

R0 indicates how contagious a disease is. Learn how it works and the R0 values for various diseases.

www.healthline.com

The reproductive number, R0 (pronounced R naught), is a value that describes how contagious a disease is. For the flu, the R0 tends to be between 1 and 2, which means that for every person infected with the flu, one to two additional people become infected. For COVID-19, the R0 is higher, between 2 and 3. That is 50-100% higher. So it doesn't surprise me that flu is knocked down faster and more effectively by our containment measures than covid.

There will be other factors that I've not researched like the incubation period. Is it longer for covid? If yes, people will walk around spreading it more. What is the onset like? Do you get sick quickly or not? Does hand washing kill flu easier than covid? Lots to learn.

But clearly what we did to contain covid worked really well on the flu!

 

[Ronnie]

In retrospect, I would have been pissed if I was denied entry into the hospital because it was full of people who willing passed on getting vaccinated. I understand the freedom of choice arguments but when someone intentionally chooses to go unvaccinated I think they should also be reprioritized behind those who have been vaccinated where medical care in concerned. By analogy, if I choose to engage in risky activity, like climbing Mount Everest, I have to intentionally accept that I may not be rescued if things go wrong.

My aunt was here yesterday. She asked me speak to her husband who has been sick at home for over a week with vertigo, headaches, blurred vision, etc. he doesn’t want to go to the hospital nor be vaccinated.The last time we spoke, months ago, he told me and everyone sitting with him at the restaurant that Covid is fake, it’s all a big hoax, even though he was sitting with nurses in the family who have their own patient Covid horror stories to tell. I have no idea what I’m supposed to say to this man other than plead that he get vaccinated and go to the MD. I feel more for my aunt since they don’t share the same position on Covid and am thankful that my wife and I do.

From a financial perspective it’s always going to be less expense to keep a person healthy than to get them healthy. Case in point, the vaccine is free. A trip to the ER costs a lot more than a copay and takes a lot more time than a shot or two, now three, in the arm. If you are admitted and put on a vent the costs are counted by the thousands or tens of thousands per day which could lead to financial ruin for the uninsured or under insured.

 

[Robconn]

In retrospect, I would have been pissed if I was denied entry into the hospital because it was full of people who willing passed on getting vaccinated. I understand the freedom of choice arguments but when someone intentionally chooses to go unvaccinated I think they should also be reprioritized behind those who have been vaccinated where medical care in concerned. By analogy, if I choose to engage in risky activity, like climbing Mount Everest, I have to intentionally accept that I may not be rescued if things go wrong.

My aunt was here yesterday. She asked me speak to her husband who has been sick at home for over a week with vertigo, headaches, blurred vision, etc. he doesn’t want to go to the hospital nor be vaccinated.The last time we spoke, months ago, he told me and everyone sitting with him at the restaurant that Covid is fake, it’s all a big hoax, even though he was sitting with nurses in the family who have their own patient Covid horror stories to tell. I have no idea what I’m supposed to say to this man other than plead that he get vaccinated and go to the MD. I feel more for my aunt since they don’t share the same position on Covid and am thankful that my wife and I do.

From a financial perspective it’s always going to be less expense to keep a person healthy than to get them healthy. Case in point, the vaccine is free. A trip to the ER costs a lot more than a copay and takes a lot more time than a shot or two, now three, in the arm. If you are admitted and put on a vent the costs are counted by the thousands or tens of thousands per day which could lead to financial ruin for the uninsured or under insured.

I expect the common denominator world be increased premiums and co-pays for those that enter the healthcare system unvaccinated. This way the first come fist serve with respect to proper triage priority will be maintained.

 

[AZMark]

Two fully vaccinated friends just got COVID from their unvaccinated infant. Dad took several days longer to show symptoms, primarily loss of taste and smell.

Frustrating to see two breakthrough infections but I guess when you’re directly exposed for days it’s eventually going to get you.

 

[Evil Sports]

Again, till 80% of the population has been infected in some form this will continue. Vax will not stop it but its obvious previously infected and vaxd will have a far better outcome.