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Anyone can share their experiences with
Wonder how many of you would suddenly be spouting off about individual freedom, limited government and ranting about over reach if a new federal mandate comes down to limit boats to 2 people per boat and those two have to where masks full time. Nobody cares about government over reach unless it affects their values, principles and life style. Been the problem throughout history. If you really care about individual freedom you champion it when it affects someone else’s values, principles and life style besides your own - in most cases even if you don’t agree with them.
Good point. Since I work in that very environment, I was sharing insights. having many years in healthcare, employee loyalty is not a given. Laws that are passed, our main recourse is to protest, and vote for candidates that offer changes to existing circumstances. Sorry if I sounded like I was spouting off. I guess you didn’t agree. But thats ok. I support your right to champion for those 150 and the many more across the nation.
 

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This would have gone SO much better if people would use this simple rule when posting.
If you wouldnt go up to the guy sitting the corner bar and say it to him then for fucks sake dont be typing it on a messageboard.
I highly doubt sawtski would be saying all that crap to the guys at his corner bar and not be tasting fingers.
 
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some states are right to work states regarding labor laws. We all choose to work at healthcare facilities based on personal factors, compensation, work place practices and culture. It’s never a win win. Always a compromise for the individual.
Since covid, employees have either resigned, or decreased work obligations. And that’s is 💯% their right. Some have even ghosted positions and fell off the face of the earth. Still their right to do so. I support their right to do so 100%.
The institution establishes the rules, they are not obligated to conform to the employee. They are not obligated to pay employees’ mortgages, rent, etc.
The focus for the healthcare institutions is policy and procedures based on safety and liability. All those employees were given a choice with an ample deadline and stated consequences of deadline. Their work rights being respected. They are free to express legal right in protest.
It’s no different than any other requirement for frontline / essential employees. If I fail to get flu shot, fail to complete yearly education, maintain state / federal license requirements, I face initial suspension. If a certain time goes by I face dismissal. All these do not change due to my personal convictions. Only exception would be a religious/ medical exemptions. Nobody questions those established practices.
It’s my right to either conform or to pursue other interests outside the facility, or profession.
Healthcare institutions want to limit potential vulnerabilities and lawsuits. It’s their right to do so. Patients potentially may sue for malpractice, insurers will with hold money for hospital acquired illnesses. Vaccines will limit liability for the employer and employee.
Hospitals are open to pay travel / agency at much higher rate of pay. Hospital have increased salaries, sign on bonuses, tuition reimbursement. this will be a regional issue for hospital systems and not every locality. But will be interesting how it develops.
There are hospitals and nursing homes that have or had decided that mandating a vaccine would not have been in their patients best interest. (Staffing issues) .gov has decided they know best instead.
 

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On some level or topic we are all hypocrites! But why would a person that doesn’t believe in the medical science behind the vaccine even want to go to the hospital for treatment. Also, if you have ever had surgery, a strep throat, a cavity, a baby, have to take daily medication, etc, you believed and trusted in medical science. Why wouldn’t you believe in it now?
 

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On some level or topic we are all hypocrites! But why would a person that doesn’t believe in the medical science behind the vaccine even want to go to the hospital for treatment. Also, if you have ever had surgery, a strep throat, a cavity, a baby, have to take daily medication, etc, you believed and trusted in medical science. Why wouldn’t you believe in it now?
Simple, there are no atheists in foxholes.
 

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There are hospitals and nursing homes that have or had decided that mandating a vaccine would not have been in their patients best interest. (Staffing issues) .gov has decided they know best instead.
Yes, like I said it will be more likely a regional issue with staffing. Last night I had 15 patients all maxed out on settings and oxygen. So yes I very well understand the staffing issue.
 

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This would have gone SO much better if people would use this simple rule when posting.
If you wouldnt go up to the guy sitting the corner bar and say it to him then for fucks sake dont be typing it on a messageboard.
I highly doubt sawtski would be saying all that crap to the guys at his corner bar and not be tasting fingers.
I will be more than honored to share brewskis with y’all. Time and place TBD. Don’t get much time these days though.
 

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with trolls like lurch spewing shit faster than anyone with a day job track it, lol, this forum is turning in a content-free post-o-mania, a facebook-like nightmare.

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i honestly feel like I am directly in the middle of this argument. I agree with all the science about the vaccine and reasons to get it, but also understand certain points from the other side. But it does seem odd the person with the 2nd highest messages on this site would criticize another forum member for others posting a lot of messages

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This forum has become way too person and clearly has crossed the “politics” line many times, but must admit… I have been very entertained by the back and forth and fighting so by all means, carry on.

I am not going to pretend I will ignore. I will continue to watch the train wreck and LOL.
 

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I’m just here to like boats from here on out. Carry on.
 

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There are hospitals and nursing homes that have or had decided that mandating a vaccine would not have been in their patients best interest. (Staffing issues) .gov has decided they know best instead.
This is an interesting argument. I would wager that those particular places (healthcare) are relieved by this being put on el presidente vs them.
The opposite is happening here, FL and maybe elsewhere where the state is knocking down local mandates that were put in place by the elected officials in those districts.
At what level do YOU decide those below you don’t get a say anymore?
 

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It is only fair to show this as well. Those antagonizing Dr. Swat are not doing themselves any favors and fail to understand how little he cares about such insults.

Unfortunately it has become necessary to
intensively moderate this thread.

I would like to see all personal attacks stop and this thread continue in a friendly manner.

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It is only fair to show this as well. Those antagonizing Dr. Swat are not doing themselves any favors and fail to understand how little he cares about such insults.

Unfortunately it has become necessary to
intensively moderate this thread.

I would like to see all personal attacks stop and this thread continue in a friendly manner.

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Honest question: was my post a personal attack?


i have liked many posts of swatski. I love much of the content he posts but that doesn’t mean one has to agree 100% of the time with everyone one posts. There is a clear bias on this thread (and I am 100% in agreement with your position on this topic).

At this pointI vote this thread not be closed, but moved to the comedy forum.
 

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Lmao, well they would get along fantastically then, he smokes a ton of weed as well!! Not sure when he will grow up 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
What's smoking weed have to do with growing up? Way better than drinking all the time, your brothers sound cool to me 😂😂😂
 

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What's smoking weed have to do with growing up? Way better than drinking all the time, your brothers sound cool to me 😂😂😂
Smoking is bad. Do gummies instead
 

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i honestly feel like I am directly in the middle of this argument. I agree with all the science about the vaccine and reasons to get it, but also understand certain points from the other side. But it does seem odd the person with the 2nd highest messages on this site would criticize another forum member for others posting a lot of messages

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This forum has become way too person and clearly has crossed the “politics” line many times, but must admit… I have been very entertained by the back and forth and fighting so by all means, carry on.

I am not going to pretend I will ignore. I will continue to watch the train wreck and LOL.
Swatski has been here for years and posted on thousands of topics. Lurch has been here one year and 92% of his posts are in vaccine threads 6-posts outside this thread, 4 of those 6 within the last 24 hours (when I did my tally this afternoon). (Something like 76 posts total...70 in this thread!!!l) And he's not the only one....but the worst example.

Did we consider closing his account as a spammer early on....yes. But we didn't.

So perhaps everyone posting in this thread should post in another thread before continuing here? Seriously....

Otherwise your membership here seems focused on something our forum isn't focused on. Try hitting 50% of your posts on topic (boating) before coming back here? Build a reputation....earn a following...
 

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Swatski has been here for years and posted on thousands of topics. Lurch has been here one year and 92% of his posts are in vaccine threads 6-posts outside this thread, 4 of those 6 within the last 24 hours (when I did my tally this afternoon). (Something like 76 posts total...70 in this thread!!!l) And he's not the only one....but the worst example.

Did we consider closing his account as a spammer early on....yes. But we didn't.

So perhaps everyone posting in this thread should post in another thread before continuing here? Seriously....

Otherwise your membership here seems focused on something our forum isn't focused on. Try hitting 50% of your posts on topic (boating) before coming back here? Build a reputation....earn a following...
Lol, seriously?
 

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No argument from me on that.

I greatly appreciate @Julian and @Bruce for this thread. I have benefited a lot from others knowledge and experience.

I have also been here for years.I was simply commenting on how a member how has been almost the most active (obviously spend a lot of time here “outside of his day job”) would look down on another for posting “a lot”

again, the sad thing is these guys may be great friends and share a beer in Bimini but now many members of this great forum are splitting into sides.
 
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