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Yup! I've come from very low HP cars and my wrangler. All of which no matter how hard you jam on the gas 0-60 is measured by a calendar. So, with this EB I drive like I drove those. So quite grandpa-ish I suppose. I rarely to never hammer down on the gas. We have decent hills, but nothing crazy.
No replacement for displacement still applies as far as I am concerned when it comes to towing.
EcoDiesel towing... that is disappointing. Though they get 30+ without a trailer. I didn't know they were that bad, my neighbor has a 2500 Chevy Diesel and he gets the same gas mileage no matter if he is towing or not.
V8 doesn't have 470 ft lbs of torque at 2400 rpms, either.
The key is when not towing and driving normal I always got better mileage with my ECOBOOST vs the 5.0. Which overall is a majority of the miles I drive. Plus all the torque is at lower RPMs so a much quieter drive climbing hills when towing. GM’s 3.0 diesel is very appealing (I have seen lots of reports of high mileage when towing) it will be interesting to see how these hold up once they have some miles on them.
The boosties only have that under full throttle. I dunno about you guys, but even though I still live my life a quarter mile at a time, it's not usually at full throttle. It's like... A quarter throttle. That's my gripe about all the new boosted stuff, it's either in boost and sucking gas and ripping, or it's slow af. Which you know what, I'm fine with slow af in a lot of cases, lol. Like a diesel suburban, lol.
Just stumbled across this thread!!!! I can tell you for certain I was not prepared for the MPG drop when we picked up our boat in Louisiana. I swore there is no way that 9-12 MPG on the way back here was a realistic number. Still thought I was dreaming when we had to stop for the third time to get gas. I honestly have no idea how true travel boaters can stomach the gas for trips to new water fronts alone. We would very much like to take the boat to Hot Springs Arkansas but man I just cant get past the cost of the gas to take the boat out there.
That doesn't make sense. 2400-2500 rpms are reached with barely any throttle. Peak torque is at 2400 RPMs. You have to wring out a non boosted motor to reach peak torque and HP. That's not the same with boosted motors.
You're forgetting throttle position. If you have the throttle open say, 20%, you're flow far less air through the engine, so while it may spin at 2400rpm, it's not making full torque because it's not I guesting as much air and fuel. In an NA motor, that's not a huge deal, but in a boosted motor, you're now also not pushing as much exhaust which means you're not making as much boost which means you're getting even less air.
I have a 2021 Expedition and have only towed a little bit with it - but was in 11-12 MPG with my camper and my boat. Both are around 2500 lbs.
I don't have empirical data to back it up, but I would bet money they other way around. Enclosed bodies are almost always more aerodynamic than open bodies.
This is true, and the telling difference between HP (needed to get to a speed) and TQ (needed to maintain said speed while pulling). Turbos help attainment of speed and are quite fuel efficient when properly matched to the body weight of what they're designed to be pushing, but add more weight, and the ratio takes a nose dive. High TQ motors that are NA will cost more in gas consumption to get to speed but cost less in gas to maintain speed with additional weight.
No way he gets the same mileage.....physics doesn't work that way!
Physics only works that way if it's grossly inefficient when unloaded, and decently efficient when loaded. Uncle had a '98 Dodge 2500 with a manual transmission and something like 4.55 rear gears. That thing got 13mpg ALL the time. Beat it like a stolen mule; 13mpg. Drive like a grandma on Sunday; 13mpg. Tow a 5th wheel with a Case tractor on it; 13mpg. It was pretty decent when loaded, and wildly underworked when empty, but because of the ridiculous rear gears it had to rev so much when it was unloaded that it still got terrible MPG.No way he gets the same mileage.....physics doesn't work that way!
I'm getting ready to do a 10hr tow with that same 3L gasser. Really curious to see how it does for hours on end with the boat behind it.
I tend to think that way but he is far from the first person I have heard that from in a 2500 diesel.No way he gets the same mileage.....physics doesn't work that way!
I do miss my Audi diesel! Went from 15mpg towing to 10mpg when I switched to 3L supercharged gasser.