The Texas School Shooting

[GTBRMC]

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[Julian]

And you are missing my point. While active shooter deaths are truly a tragedy, the amount of death pails in comparison to Fentanyl poisoning. But which receives all the press and political attention? Look at the numbers dude. Our media gets the sheep all wrapped around the axle about active shooter deaths but at the same time they don’t give 2 shits about the thousands that die every month to this crap being imported across an open and unsecured border. That’s my point.

Sorry, I have to laugh at your "open unsecured border comment", we've spent billions on the border. Sure we could spend billions more.

But again, just because cancer kills more people doesn't mean any other disease is invalid.

Violent murder of children will always garner more attention than drug deaths. But fentanyl has been covered by the media, but apparently you missed it. I've watched stories on it. A 60 Minutes main story covered it.

If you do a search of CBS News it returns over 1600 stories regarding Fentanyl. I'm sure Fox etc have lots too.

 

[Beachbummer]

I want to reiterate @BinN8's point now that I heard it. As individuals, statistically we are more likely to be affected by the fentanyl issue than the school shooting issue, although we are much less outraged by it. It's a point I had not grasped. Doesn't mean other topics don't deserve attention. I also don't know if you include all gun violence vs fentanyl which is worse, but I don't think it's a competition either.

Thanks for raising awareness.

 

[Farny]

The latest reporting is that the school is, in fact, locked down and that the shooter actually encountered and got past (shot) a police officer on the way in a "back door."

Sorry, this shit doesn't happen in other countries where semi-automatic weapons aren't sold to anyone who wants one.

THERE HAVE BEEN 212 MASS SHOOTINGS IN 2022, AND 27 SCHOOL SHOOTINGS WITH INJURIES OR DEATHS, ?

Video showed the psycho didn’t encounter police on entering. Jumped a fence and went in through unlocked door.

 

[Bluewater272]

What a semantic shitshow that last couple pages were. Replace the term semi automatic with assault rifle and try again.

Nice, meeting semantics with more semantics. If you can let me know where I can legally acquire an assault rifle without an NFA stamp and about thirty grand, I'm all ears.

 

[Bluewater272]

Please also explain, if it's the people doing the killing, not guns, wHy is NRA not allowing guns at their convention? Fucking farcical, I say.

One might hazard a guess at a few potential reasons:

1. Maybe they're a bunch of pussies (NRA can fuck off and die of irrelevancy already)
2. Maybe the venue doesn't allow it, at all.
3. Maybe the secret service has a thing about a room full of firearms in the presence of a former POTUS.

Edit: As usual, the headlines are intentionally misleading (and who would check them?). Firearms are permitted at the convention except during the time the former President is in the main room and giving his speech... Secret Service 101. Guess the farce is over.

 

[Bluewater272]

We could do one or any of the following:

• Make guns hard to get (ban gun ownership)
• Make guns harder to keep (licensing, location based restrictions like - you can have a gun - but it stays at the gun club you must be a member of) etc
• Make guns more costly to keep (expensive licenses)
• Improve healthcare so people can get mental health help
• Make more smart guns - FORCE manufacturers to only sell them eventually
• Make geofenced guns
• Make gun makers make more/better non-lethal defensive weapons (theory being this would reduce the number of lethal weapons in circulation)
• Gun buy back programs (after doing some of the above) - so you remove them from circulation
• Limit gun carry laws - humans are volatile and often easy to anger. Put a gun in that guys hand who flies off the handle, and eventually he'll use it when he's mad.
• Require classes to own a gun - again...makes it harder for the teen to get one. And harder for him to hide it from family.
• Increase background checks to mental health, school teachers, etc. YES limit the rights of who can own one.
• Physical tests to determine if you should own a gun - are you blind? Do you have dementia?
• Give financial incentives to buy non-lethal defensive weapons
• Stop selling military grade weapons to civilians. (yes I know what this means so don't patronize me)

So many things off the top of my head.

Replace any of those with a restriction on voting and let me know if you still agree. This is a core component of our bill of rights, and until the majority of our union (not the dickwads in washington) agree to change that, then I will advocate for it. Same as I would for state governments' attempts to restrict voting, and SCOTUS' upcoming intervention in women's health via our right to privacy. Rights matter, and it is not in the government's interest to protect any of them. Defend them or lose them, as we have started to see them erode in the last few years already - it's BULLSHIT, and people should be in the streets over it. All well and good for the last two, but when I stand up for 2A I'm a semantic peddling lunatic without compassion or perspective?

 

[BlkGS]

Video showed the psycho didn’t encounter police on entering. Jumped a fence and went in through unlocked door.

I just read this this morning. Seems there's at least 3 changing accounts for how it happened. Some say he engaged a resource officer, some say he fought police deputies, now it's sounding like he slipped in an unlocked back door.

If it happens that the school was unsecured, in any way shape or form, that is unacceptable. We live in a world where most every phone can scan fingerprints, and probably a majority can use facial recognition to unlock. The idea that our schools aren't secured with this same technology at all doors is ABSURD. Congress makes it rain with billions for everything, but we have schools that have unlocked doors? Unacceptable.

I think as a country we need to devote money to building new schools in a manner that they're secured. A defensive perimeter with a single entrance point, and then you can build them however you want inside the perimeter.

 

[BlkGS]

So, questions about this idea of smart guns being part of the solution.

1) Who updates the area that they are allowed to function geo location wise? Is it up to the gun makers? The government? The state/county?

2) What's the criteria for where you can use your gun? Only approved ranges or hunting areas? How do the guns get updates on the newest locations that are now allowed? Or do we set areas that are no gun zones like schools, malls, arenas, or other areas of high quantities of people? That'd allow for less updates I suppose and render question 3 less problematic to solve.

3) If you're outside of an approved gun zone, and need to use it to protect your family, say out on a boat (which had a lengthy thread about how prevalent that is), then what? It doesn't work, and you may as well not have it?

4) How do you convince people to buy this new smart gun that costs more and is less functional? There's plenty of used guns out there, and one would suspect that both good and bad actors would simply bypass these smart guns.

5) How do you prevent a flood of guns without these electronics from entering the country (likely from China via Mexico) ? We can't even keep drugs out.

6) How do we prevent former or stolen LEO or Military assets from being brought back into the public hands? There's already a decently sized issue with police weapons being stolen, and we obviously would not want them locked down from use.

I do think fingerprint scanning makes sense, you could compile it such that if the print of a felon, or person arrested for gun related crimes in the past attempts to fire it wouldn't, however you run into the same logistical issues. Who up keeps the list, how do the updates go out, and how do you force proven bad actors to only have access to guns they can't use? We are talking about people who have already proven a wanton disregard for laws and human life, so how do we expect that they won't immediately go steal a not smart gun?

I do think it's worth noting, none of these ideas except maybe the areas of inoperability would have stopped this. But, I would contend that this monster would have just gone on Facebook marketplace and bought an old, non smart gun were that the standardbfor new sales.

 

[jcb1977]

What a semantic shitshow that last couple pages were. Replace the term semi automatic with assault rifle and try again.

the only difference between an semi-auto "assault rifle" and semi-auto hunting rifle is it's black and has a pistol grip. I can't understand why people can't figure this out.

 

[tabbibus]

Re: drug use… before you pass judgement, consider this quote and the connection to mental health.

"The opposite of addiction is not sobriety. The opposite of addiction is
connection.”
-Johann Hari

This is applies for MANY of our societal issues. We are failing in mental health big time.

 

[AZMark]

the only difference between an semi-auto "assault rifle" and semi-auto hunting rifle is it's black and has a pistol grip. I can't understand why people can't figure this out.

What are you talking about? Black? Hunting rifles don’t all have the same type of recoil system.

 

[AZMark]

Nice, meeting semantics with more semantics. If you can let me know where I can legally acquire an assault rifle without an NFA stamp and about thirty grand, I'm all ears.

Jeez dude - semiautomatic assault rifle. AR-15 type rifle.

Those of you that are way into guns probably have really nice AR type guns and know exactly what I’m talking about in ease of shooting and accuracy at a very high rate of fire.

Some of you are being disingenuous.

 

[Chrisbert]

And yet there aren't 212 mass killings via knife, bomb, poison or vehicles so far in 2022.

Statistically, no, this (mass killings, not violence) is an American issue. We all know why.

Yes, I am aware of the various types of weapons. It's amazing that some feel they need a 30 round mag to hunt deer.

Are you saying that the problem is the victims don't have a sporting chance? You do realize that if you walk into a classroom full of young children with a revolver and begin shooting that the result will likely be the same.

 

[Chrisbert]

I've asked this 4 times so far and received one (now deleted "cuz I want one") answer...

Someone please explain why you need a semi-automatic weapon.

Why does one need a car that can exceed the legal speed limits?

 

[Bluewater272]

Jeez dude - semiautomatic assault rifle. AR-15 type rifle.

Those of you that are way into guns probably have really nice AR type guns and know exactly what I’m talking about in ease of shooting and accuracy at a very high rate of fire.

Some of you are being disingenuous.

An AR15 is not an assault rifle. It might look like one. It might function in a similar manner to one. It isn't one, full stop.

 

[ripler]

The press conference that I just watched made this whole situation a whole lot sadder.

 

[Julian]

Replace any of those with a restriction on voting and let me know if you still agree. This is a core component of our bill of rights, and until the majority of our union (not the dickwads in washington) agree to change that, then I will advocate for it. Same as I would for state governments' attempts to restrict voting, and SCOTUS' upcoming intervention in women's health via our right to privacy. Rights matter, and it is not in the government's interest to protect any of them. Defend them or lose them, as we have started to see them erode in the last few years already - it's BULLSHIT, and people should be in the streets over it. All well and good for the last two, but when I stand up for 2A I'm a semantic peddling lunatic without compassion or perspective?

Nah....all you need to do if have the Supreme Court reverse decades of precedent and decide that the meaning of militia meant a standing army. They seem in the mood to throw out precedent right now!

 

[Bluewater272]

Nah....all you need to do if have the Supreme Court reverse decades of precedent and decide that the meaning of militia meant a standing army. They seem in the mood to throw out precedent right now!

True, that would certainly do it. Illogical, but it would do it.

 

[sunbyrned]

The press conference that I just watched made this whole situation a whole lot sadder.

The thing about the press conference that made it sad to me was twofold. One was the decision made that it was a barricaded situation rather than an active shooter situation, but the other part was that the officers in the hallway didn’t have the gear to withstand shots from an AR 15. I realize we don’t need dead officers too but I don’t know why they don’t have the proper gear and had to wait on a team that did have the gear. That should change.