The Texas School Shooting

[AZMark]

For someone that owns you have a lot of incorrect assumptions.

Go for it…

 

[Beachbummer]

The california guy saved his house with one, if I recall correctly. At the time it was a good equalizer.

 

[sunbyrned]

Hate to say it, but I believe school busses will be the next school related target.

 

[AZMark]

The california guy saved his house with one, if I recall correctly. At the time it was a good equalizer.

I’m not familiar but I’m sure there a instances where it happens, I’m definitely generalizing and making some semi-educated guesses.

Until @adrianp89 posts up some data I’ll keep assuming the majority of self defense shootings are done with a handgun. And I bet a shotgun is 2nd place, which is one of the best for home defense if you don’t want a missed bullet going through 3 rooms of your home.

 

[Beachbummer]

Sorry, I'm thinking of St. Louis, Missouri.

Mark and Patricia McCloskey: What really went on in St Louis that day?

A US couple gained instant notoriety for waving guns at protesters. What really happened that day?

www.bbc.com

It was a meme for a while of how to dress while defending home.

 

[Julian]

This statement couldn't be farther from the truth, I work with the IDF on a nearly monthly basis. They enforce the importance of firearms and firearms training. They have the largest weapons development programs in the world and spend countless hours training youth who by law must serve once they turn 18 the proper handling of firearms and rifles. Its a country founded on war, living in fear of war daily. Teachers are trained in the workings of FULLY automatic rifle and carry them in school and out of school. I'll stress that EDUCATORs carrying fully automatic rifles to protect children.
You are 100 % correct things wont change, the mind set is effed, there is too much my way is right and your way is wrong for people to truly find a resolution. My prayers will be heard and answered, it takes people willing to make changes for changes to happen, not just people arguing about it on a boat forum.

Just because you talk to the IDF weekly doesn't mean Israel doesn't have very strict gun carry laws. I've been to Israel a lot, and have talked about this with my team members there a lot. They all told me this. What you said isn't actually in contradiction to what I said.

Oh by the way, everyone thinks all Israelis have to do military service, but the reality on the ground is that only 50% do now.

Have you been to Israel? Teachers are NOT walking around with guns there....that is absurd. One person in our office carries a gun on average. That is because he's on "duty", as in National Guard duty. He has to keep his side arm with him. I will ask my coworker next week if he's seen teachers carrying rifles to school. Pretty sure he'll laugh his ass off.

 

[sunbyrned]

Hey! I just got a medal. Apparently my previous post was my 1000th. (Sorry to interrupt.)

 

[RNYCLV]

Just because you talk to the IDF weekly doesn't mean Israel doesn't have very strict gun carry laws. I've been to Israel a lot, and have talked about this with my team members there a lot. They all told me this. What you said isn't actually in contradiction to what I said.

Oh by the way, everyone thinks all Israelis have to do military service, but the reality on the ground is that only 50% do now.

Have you been to Israel? Teachers are NOT walking around with guns there....that is absurd. One person in our office carries a gun on average. That is because he's on "duty", as in National Guard duty. He has to keep his side arm with him. I will ask my coworker next week if he's seen teachers carrying rifles to school. Pretty sure he'll laugh his ass off.

Yes a two year rotation on PPD working hand in hand with IDF on a weapons development project for export to the US and a few other countries. Would be there weeks or months at a time working on it. Absolutely beautiful country and some of the best food I’ve ever had
Yes correct it’s not a daily practice, however they are completely trained and do carry when needed.
I’m not getting back into this, I’m here for jet boats, however I was t going to be rude.
best of luck to you, your co workers and your posts.

 

[King]

I've asked this 4 times so far and received one (now deleted "cuz I want one") answer...

Someone please explain why you need a semi-automatic weapon.

At the risk of fanning the flames, I'll explain it as it was explained to me.

There is no question of need when it's a right. None of the other constitutional rights are needs based. There's a work around for a lot of them, with due process, and some can be taken away as a punitive measure, again with due process. But, they don't have to pass a needs test. From the best my amateur self can tell, when it comes to rights, you have to back end it and ask the question on an individual case by case basis of; why does this person NOT need this right.

Most likely not the answer you were looking for. It's just how it's viewed on my end of things. And, if you disagree with it, that's 100% cool. If for no other reason than we both come together over the super kick ass jet boat thing.

 

[3 green tornados]

Just saying the whole confiscation idea isn’t a good one. Estimated 400 million firearms in the US confiscation would be near impossible. Australia tried in 1996 and was only able to confiscate 17-20% of their firearms. 43% of American’s own or live in a home with a firearm.

I am not a gun guy, but think the pellet guns and BB guns my sons own are great family activities that teach a lot of skills. Allows for the excitement of the clank but helps them refocus once they are excited. This has carried over into football with

We need to get back to a society that believes in and supports the family and when something like mental illness is obvious in another person action needs to be taken.
We used to have laws allowing for the mentally ill people to be committed against their will because of the destruction they can have on themselves and society. That was stopped.

I know the finger print scan on my very expensive laptop rarely works, to unlock my iPhone I had to change to the passcode for the same reason. I am sure that those that would by smart guns would be more that scared that it would fail when it was needed. Not sure I would want to have to rely on that if hunting or in a lifesaving situation. Are any firearms like this actually being manufactured at a commercially feasible level?

How could this monster have been stopped? This probably goes for everyone of the mass shootings since Columbine.
Better parenting and more involved community structure. Ability of others that see the social media posts to instantly flag a post the forum gives an immediate review and sends it to local authorities. What about using a VPN? - names on accounts can be cross referenced to known addresses and locations or geotags from phones if that is the devices being used.
actively take down websites that cultivate very specific behavior like those that rank and encourage the monsters involved with school shootings or the shootings of unarmed people.

we protect everything we value as far as people with guns. Why not our schools?

Unfortunately with the number of firearms known and unknown in America, the constitutional right in the 2nd amendment and the number of homes with guns they will be ever present.

I have often heard it said there are two things that can stop a bad guy: God or a good guy that is stronger and more determined. For the way Americans talk about God it seems we need more strong determined good guys.

thank you for reading whichever side you fall on know that I still support your desire to discuss. Also for such a charged topic ya’ll have made me proud with trying to respect each other and allow others to speak with out personal attacks.

 

[BigN8]

And cancer and covid....pointless redirection. Yes drug deaths are also important, that doesn't mean we can just ignore gun deaths. Failed logic.

Feel free to start a whole new thread on fentanyl deaths. It will get far less press as most people look at that as "well they chose to take drugs...." These kids did not chose to get themselves shot. Quite a different problem - but yes....still a problem.

OMG....Let me just say, if you think your kids, or your daughter, or your daughter's sketchy boyfriend with the menace to society car aren't exposed to recreational drugs, or at some point will be exposed to recreational drugs....then go bury your head in the sand and don't look up. Your daughter is much more exposed to Fentanyl than an active shooter.

 

[swatski]

The latest reporting is that the school is, in fact, locked down and that the shooter actually encountered and got past (shot) a police officer on the way in a "back door."

Sorry, this shit doesn't happen in other countries where semi-automatic weapons aren't sold to anyone who wants one.

THERE HAVE BEEN 212 MASS SHOOTINGS IN 2022, AND 27 SCHOOL SHOOTINGS WITH INJURIES OR DEATHS, ?

Thank you for this post

I can;t read this whole thread. the OP, @BlkGS, characteristically, posts misleading and incomplete information.

Turns out, the police waited outside the school for at least 40 minutes while parents and onlookers urged them to do something... WHile the armed clowns were busy detaining fathers outside the school over period of 40min to an hour the shooter barricaded himself by... locking the door. Yeah, he LOCKED THE FUCKING DOOR. which they needed a master key to... unlock.
???????????

JUST IMAGINE BEING A FATHER BEING MADE WAIT OUTSIDE WATCHING THIS UNFOLD WHILE YOUR CHILD IS INSIDE.

40min to an hour the massacre was allowed to last...

The OP, @BlkGS - how does that mesh up with your thread-opening (completely nonsensical) post???

Please also explain, if it's the people doing the killing, not guns, wHy is NRA not allowing guns at their convention? Fucking farcical, I say.


I'm a gun owner, and an avid shooter, by the way.

 

[BlkGS]

I'd like to point out, I wasn't there. I only know what we see on the news. At first it was reported he was wearing armor, it appears that was incorrect and it was a tactical vest. Hell, it may have started being reported that way and got sensationalized by the media. I don't know, I'm not infallible.

When I started this thread, much of the info out there wasn't known yet. That police waited for 40 minutes to organize and go in, for example.

This thread is a prime example for why we won't fix this issue. Almost immediately, people decided to camp up and that only their camp was right. We will not solve issues like this with a "my way is the only right way" philosophy. Our democracy works when people come together with their different ideas and combine them.

We will not solve this with any one magical thing. It's going to take a mixture of gun control, increased security, regulation of internet companies, school involvement, and most of all parental involvement. You can't fix this with any one part of those, you need them all.

 

[Beachbummer]

I'll digress and say at least the subject was spoken about respectfully, and there is some greater understanding of how the many camps feel and think.

To solve something like this you start by selecting the goals in common and finding ways to advance on those.

 

[Julian]

Once again, I am done with this, its gone from intelligent to asinine. Personal opinions on this matter mean nothing, kids lost their lives, families were torn apart, a town will never be the same. And we argue opinion. Its sad, get back to boats please. Delete this forum and move on, its past the point of favorable.

Please click the ignore thread link at the top of the thread....voila...you are done.

 

[Julian]

OMG....Let me just say, if you think your kids, or your daughter, or your daughter's sketchy boyfriend with the menace to society car aren't exposed to recreational drugs, or at some point will be exposed to recreational drugs....then go bury your head in the sand and don't look up. Your daughter is much more exposed to Fentanyl than an active shooter.

You completely missed my point. I'll try again.

If my daughter chooses to do drugs that was HER choice. If a kid in school gets shot, that was not HIS/HER choice.

But again....this is a bad argument. Just because one thing is bad doesn't make another bad thing not bad. That would be like saying stop donating to the Alzheimers association because cancer kills more people.

I'm not saying fentanyl isn't a problem, but it has nothing to do with school shootings.

 

[mark_m]

The population at large is less sensitive to those deaths as opposed to defenseless kids at school because families do have kids at school, and may not see the Fentanyl deaths as affecting them directly, it's mostly associated with some form of drug use too, so much easier to not relate to those. I am not surprised by the difference between them, and I somewhat share the thought. I hope that does not make me a horrible person, but it is what it is.

Re: drug use… before you pass judgement, consider this quote and the connection to mental health.

"The opposite of addiction is not sobriety. The opposite of addiction is
connection.”
-Johann Hari

 

[Julian]

Our democracy works when people come together with their different ideas and combine them.

We will not solve this with any one magical thing. It's going to take a mixture of gun control, increased security, regulation of internet companies, school involvement, and most of all parental involvement. You can't fix this with any one part of those, you need them all.

On this we can agree!!!

I'll add that our 2 party system is polarizing the country. We need to eliminate it so centrist middle parties can coexist and force each side to compromise.

 

[BigN8]

You completely missed my point. I'll try again.

If my daughter chooses to do drugs that was HER choice. If a kid in school gets shot, that was not HIS/HER choice.

But again....this is a bad argument. Just because one thing is bad doesn't make another bad thing not bad. That would be like saying stop donating to the Alzheimers association because cancer kills more people.

I'm not saying fentanyl isn't a problem, but it has nothing to do with school shootings.

And you are missing my point. While active shooter deaths are truly a tragedy, the amount of death pails in comparison to Fentanyl poisoning. But which receives all the press and political attention? Look at the numbers dude. Our media gets the sheep all wrapped around the axle about active shooter deaths but at the same time they don’t give 2 shits about the thousands that die every month to this crap being imported across an open and unsecured border. That’s my point.

 

[Quad]

I’m not sure what to contribute beyond what has already been said, but I want to say that while I’m primarily here for the boats, I appreciate the perspectives and discussion on off-topic things that exist here. Yes, people don’t agree on everything, but this is (unfortunately?) one of the more civil online communities I participate in.