The Vaccine

[haknslash]

Interesting discussion on spike protein of the mRNA vaccines. He has a lot of other videos as well.

 

[Julian]

Interesting discussion on spike protein of the mRNA vaccines. He has a lot of other videos as well.

Interesting, but parts of what he said were rather annoying - characterizing a virus as having "tricks" to get past our immune system makes it sounds like viruses have intelligence.

Also, he fails to mention the percentage of ADE incidence. After googling some I was unable to find any article that claimed this has actually happened with any patient.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/antibody-dependent-enhancement-in-vaccines

I did find one article where they were able to get this to occur in hamsters in a test that involved other contributing factors...but those details are way over my head! Perhaps one of our medical experts could shed more light on this.

SARS-CoV-2 infection aided by antibody-dependent enhancement

The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic has raised concerns about the detrimental effects of antibodies. Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) of infection is one of the biggest concerns in terms of not only the antibody reaction to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2...

www.news-medical.net

So overall, a somewhat interesting listen, but I fear most people who listen to it will have an anti vax takeaway, when in reality he fans flames on something (ADE risk) that there APPEARS to be no proof of happening.

 

[Beachbummer]

I would add to the questions..How different is the spike from SARS/Covid 1? and have we seen any effects there?

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

Can you share more on why you think the states are unable to issue those mandates? If anything, the states have a lot of leeway in these matters as far as I understand.

Using Texas as an example, the anti-vaccine and anti-mask have been issued as executive orders and not laws through the state legislations.

The Texas State Law Library has an excellent repository for the Texas State and Federal vaccine laws. Governor Abbott's Executive Order GA-40, prohibits any entity in Texas from requiring a person to get a COVID-19 vaccine if they have objections. However, the executive order
- notes that a person who violates the order cannot be jailed for the violation.
- They may have to pay a fine of $1,000 — the maximum allowed under Texas Government Code Section 418.173.
- The order does not say how violations should be reported.
- It also does not say who is responsible for enforcing the order.

So, in my opinion the Texas anti-vaccine order is more bark than bite.

Here is a Texas Tribune article, Texas bill to block COVID-19 vaccine mandates for employers failed in Legislature after business groups rallied against it. State Sen. Kel Seliger, R-Amarillo, said he opposed the bill, which he called “anti-business." He also added, “I’ve got some real reservations because I think it’s another example of big government,” “And we don’t do that.”. Seems to me, this is many of the same complaints leveled against the federal OSHA mandate.

Jim

 

[Beachbummer]

Limiting my thoughts only to state power... Not to the logic or benefits of a law... States I think can indeed use their internal rules to create pretty much any law/decree/order as long as it does not conflict with their state Constitution, whether for or against. Federal government in theory cannot except for those areas where the us Constitution grants power to the federal government.

 

[Tgen2013]

Interesting stuff Hacknslash.

mRna is thought to be the culprit on most of the more serious side effects that OSHA does not want published.

That according to my MD buddies. The biggest group is strokes in young healthy individuals, and deep vein thrombosis.

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

*****(Actually, not much has changed. This is the same court that approved a temporary stay.)

This is not true, the temporary stay has been affirmed. This will procedurally force the administration to respond, and will forward the case to a higher authority. (Which Brandon does not want to happen). See how long they delay response, their usual behavior will be to try and ignore this.

My statement is absolutely true. As there have been multiple cases filed in multiple districts, they will be consolidated into a single case in one court chosen at random. If that court is not the 5th Circuit, what the 5th Circuit has ruled is meaningless. My guess is that the Administration has been silent as that court has not be selected.

You seem to not believe when I post about the consolidation into a single case in a single district court, so maybe you will believe the Fox Business article, Biden OSHA vaccine mandate: Federal panel expected to consolidate barrage of lawsuits into one massive case

Personally, I'm skeptical that the courts will uphold the OSHA rule, but time will tell.

Jim

 

[Tgen2013]

My statement is absolutely true. As there have been multiple cases filed in multiple districts, they will be consolidated into a single case in one court chosen at random. If that court is not the 5th Circuit, what the 5th Circuit has ruled is meaningless. My guess is that the Administration has been silent as that court has not be selected.

You seem to not believe when I post about the consolidation into a single case in a single district court, so maybe you will believe the Fox Business article, Biden OSHA vaccine mandate: Federal panel expected to consolidate barrage of lawsuits into one massive case

Personally, I'm skeptical that the courts will uphold the OSHA rule, but time will tell.

Jim

I don't disagree with the consolidation theory. But quit trying to minimize the fact that the temporary hold was affirmed. Had it gone the other way you would have been spouting it out. Multiple affirmations from several different circuits just adds to the impetus, and weight for SCOTUS to act.

The leaves are changing color, autumn is here, winter is pending for this administrations folly.

M'ERICA ! F-u-k yeah,................

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

I don't disagree with the consolidation theory. But quit trying to minimize the fact that the temporary hold was affirmed. Had it gone the other way you would have been spouting it out. Multiple affirmations from several different circuits just adds to the impetus, and weight for SCOTUS to act.

The leaves are changing color, autumn is here, winter is pending for this administrations folly.

M'ERICA ! F-u-k yeah,................

It is not a consolidation theory, that IS what the courts will do as there have been multiple cases filed in multiple courts. Again, unless the 5th circuit court is selected in the lottery, it doesn't really matter what they say. Whatever court is selected, their ruling will apply to ALL the circuit courts. I have no doubt this case will make it to the Supreme Court, no matter the outcome. I realize the consolidation is not a typical process, but I would respectfully ask, do you not understand the consolidation process?

Personally, I have no emotional ties to this case. I have also stated numerous times that I suspect the courts will issue a narrow ruling that the ETS process that OSHA used was arbitrary and capricious.

Jim

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

KFF is a nonprofit, nonpartisian, organization focusing on national health issues. They have put out a new article that talks about general covid-19 vaccination opinions based on political affiliation. I don't believe that this post is political as the intent is to help us understand what groups of Americans may hold certain opinions about vaccination. Yes, one could be a Republican, Democrat, or Independent and hold different opinions, but this is what they found during their polling. We often have folks post to this thread why don't you agree this side (or that side) of something in the news is important. Maybe this article helps us understand why folks may have opinions that are the same, or different from ours. The article can be found atKFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor: The Increasing Importance of Partisanship in Predicting COVID-19 Vaccination Status

Here is one table from the article:



Jim

 

[adrianp89]

So my comment gets deleted for mentioned a political party. But the above can stay. Love the one sided moderation, once again. If you are pro-vaccine, the rules don't apply to you in this thread

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

So my comment gets deleted for mentioned a political party. But the above can stay. Love the one sided moderation, once again. If you are pro-vaccine, the rules don't apply to you in this thread

Please explain why my post is pro-vaccine?

It does not paint any political party in a good or bad light. All it does is try to explain the buckets of beliefs that folks of different groups of people. Don't you want to understand why some folks might express the feelings that they do? I certainly find it interesting.

Do you think it paints some particular group in a bad light? I sincerely trying to understand different points of view.

Jim

 

[adrianp89]

Please explain why my post is pro-vaccine?

It does not paint any political party in a good or bad light. All it does is try to explain the buckets of beliefs that folks of different groups of people. Don't you want to understand why some folks might express the feelings that they do? I certainly find it interesting.

Do you think it paints some particular group in a bad light? I sincerely trying to understand different points of view.

Jim

Your post is relatively neutral. You, in general, seem to come off as strongly pro-vaccine. Nothing wrong with that, just pointing how this thread is moderated and biased towards those individuals.

In regards to the post, the data just reinforces what I assume everyone already knows BUT what it does do is paint non-vaccinated republicans in certain aspect without providing details of unvaccinated democrats.

The entire article seems to be a slight attack on republicans, though it tries to stay neutral. They purposefully leave out data for unvaccinated democrats.

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

Your post is relatively neutral. You, in general, seem to come off as strongly pro-vaccine. Nothing wrong with that, just pointing how this thread is moderated and biased towards those individuals.

In regards to the post, the data just reinforces what I assume everyone already knows BUT what it does do is paint non-vaccinated republicans in certain aspect without providing details of unvaccinated democrats.

The entire article seems to be a slight attack on republicans, though it tries to stay neutral. They purposefully leave out data for unvaccinated democrats.

Honestly, there is no question that I am pro-vaccine. I even support vaccine mandates in some situations (but not all). I do, however, try and take a neutral approach when posting about topics like this poll and talking about the legal processes for laws and regulations.

I think, perhaps, it doesn't single out unvaccinated democrats as that is a much smaller bucket of folks. The article points out that 60% of the unvaccinated are republicans, 17% are democrats, and 17% are independents. I would actually be interested in seeing the data of unvaccinated democrats and independents as well.

Jim

 

[Julian]

So my comment gets deleted for mentioned a political party. But the above can stay. Love the one sided moderation, once again. If you are pro-vaccine, the rules don't apply to you in this thread

So you think that saying "Vaccinated democrats should be moved to Cuba. " isn't massively partisan? You just admitted that @Jim_in_Delaware 's post wasn't partisan - that you believe HE is pro-vaccine, and that his post is not. WTF!!!!!

So please explain to everyone how your post isn't partisan. I am really getting sick of your attacks on the moderators here. Your post was partisan. I hope the moderator that deleted it also gave you a warning. If you can't understand WHAT partisan means, perhaps you should avoid posting anything even remotely associated with politics until you do understand.

RANT OVER. (I usually take a deep breath and save, and come back to edit, but I've had enough of this BS)

 

[adrianp89]

It’s only partisan because of the data labels, maybe the statement can be revised to 83% of people who think mandates are required should move to a country with limited or no freedoms.

In either case his post brings up politics (political parties), which is against forum rules. In regards to partisan politics, I have a strong feeling that left leaning partisan comments will get a pass (as I am sure has been evidenced in this thread)

And once again, whether you like it or not, the moderation is being applied one sided. If you take the at as an attack then I take your last post as an attack. I will take my warning points as should you.

Funny we see the same thing in pro sports. The referees are horrible at doing their job (Browns/Steelers case in point) but if you bring it up you get fined.

 

[Bruce]

@adrianp89, partisan political content will be removed regardless of leaning.

The article that @Jim_in_Delaware posted is informative and unbiased. It included findings from different political leanings then detailed the largest group of unvaccinated Americans. It was not created by or published by any political organization.

Your comment was childish and intended to cause dissent. Your follow up comments are disrespectful to our admins and harmful to forum discussion. I suggest that you limit your activity to productive participation in our forum with a strong focus on point 2A of https://jetboaters.net/threads/our-code-of-conduct.30/

 

[Bruce]

The OSHA rule lawsuits were consolidated to the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati, OH.

6th Circuit Court 'wins' lottery to hear lawsuits against Biden's vaccine rule

In a process resembling a Powerball drawing, ping pong balls with the names of a dozen federal appeals courts were placed into a wooden raffle drum on Tuesday before a winner was drawn.

www.npr.org

 

[Bruce]

Seems reasonable while the court cases play out.

OSHA suspends enforcement of COVID-19 vaccine mandate for businesses

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is suspending enforcement of the Biden administration’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate for large private businesses after a federal appeals c…

thehill.com

 

[AZMark]

Seems reasonable while the court cases play out.

OSHA suspends enforcement of COVID-19 vaccine mandate for businesses

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is suspending enforcement of the Biden administration’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate for large private businesses after a federal appeals c…

thehill.com

This feels anti-vaxy. I’ll be reporting you to the biased mods.