The Vaccine

[Bruce]

This feels anti-vaxy. I’ll be reporting you to the biased mods.

Being really anti-vaxy I turned down the offer of a Moderna booster delivered to my house. But I got a Pfizer booster a few days later.

 

[Bruce]

Wonderful news. Greater vaccine efficacy is expected in younger and healthier immune systems but it is wonderful to see that confirmed especially when combined with strong data confirming safety.

Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine was 100% effective in kids in longer-term study

Pfizer and BioNTech announced that their Covid-19 vaccine was 100% efficacious in preventing infections in 12 to 15 year olds in a longer-term study.

www.statnews.com

 

[Julian]

This feels anti-vaxy. I’ll be reporting you to the biased mods.

So many biased replies I'd like to make to biased members like this....but I'll refrain.

But please do imagine what I'm thinking....be really creative. We get paid nothing.... we do this for the love of all our members (regardless of affiliation)...and you get to say whatever you like (within a broad set of rules). So yeah....imagine away...

Sigh.

 

[Julian]

I'mmm back !

Mods don't like the current prez's nickname. Bet they wouldn't have banned me if I used a pejorative reference to the previous prez.................

Man I cant stand hypocrisy.

We all know lockdowns DONT work. Austria is about to launch into that folly again.

Welcome back. Since you decided to reveal why you ended up being only the 2nd person ever auto banned due to the number of warning you received, hopefully you will refrain from partisan politics. Its not like we didn't explicitly warn you not to use that pejorative multiple times.

And no, we would have given the same warning for any partisan political reference, and in fact have done that. The difference is the other people stopped.

You seem desperately intent on being political. Which is a shame as moderating this thread is a thankless pile of dung, where we simply get called out as biased no matter what we do.

So do us a favor, I beg you, please avoid political references entirely. No backhanded attempts. No round about snipes. Nothing. Its really not hard.

 

[the MfM]

Was I the first?

 

[Bruce]

Was I the first?

I believe you were the third. There is a small group of members who seem unable to abide by Our Code of Conduct in this thread. I hope that you will be able to.

 

[the MfM]

I believe you were the third. There is a small group of members who seem unable to abide by Our Code of Conduct in this thread. I hope that you will be able to.

Any word on my appeal?

 

[AZMark]

So many biased replies I'd like to make to biased members like this....but I'll refrain.

But please do imagine what I'm thinking....be really creative. We get paid nothing.... we do this for the love of all our members (regardless of affiliation)...and you get to say whatever you like (within a broad set of rules). So yeah....imagine away...

Sigh.

I can’t tell if you’re calling me out or continuing on with my sarcasm, but my post was just that.

I recognize your plight as mods and I appreciate the great site you run.

 

[Bruce]

Any word on my appeal?

You posted content from a political site and received an appropriate warning. Further off topic or trolling posts will result in additional warnings.

 

[Bruce]

Interesting CDC charts showing rates of cases detected and deaths among various vaccination statuses during the delta wave. In summary vaccination provided significant protection against illness and death.

 

[Tgen2013]

Delta, much higher contagion, much lower lethality.

Thats from Dr Oz's analysis of all the factual data, and his assessment. He is about as objective as they come.

 

[Julian]

Delta, much higher contagion, much lower lethality.

Thats from Dr Oz's analysis of all the factual data, and his assessment. He is about as objective as they come.

This article references 2 studies that say the delta variant may result in more hospitalizations (not deaths)

5 Things To Know About the Delta Variant

Delta was a highly contagious SARS-CoV-2 virus strain that was first identified in India, and also circulated in the United States and other countries. The vaccines have proven to be highly effective against Delta, but anyone who is unvaccinated is at risk for infection by the variant.

www.yalemedicine.org

 

[MidnightRider]

Interesting CDC charts showing rates of cases detected and deaths among various vaccination statuses during the delta wave. In summary vaccination provided significant protection against illness and death.

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Not trying to piss on your contribution of data that is interesting, but don't you think statements like "In September unvaccinated persons had a 14X risk of dying" is misleading at best and the spread of misinformation at worse. You can't clump data from 18-80+ and make a statement about all unvaccinated persons in general. You can't take a 18 and 80 yr old and insinuate that they are both at 14X risk of dying. Statements like that are what cause people to question good data as bias and/or untruthful. In my opinion its bad interpretations like these (in some cases intentional and some cases not) that have led to the confusing and broad one size fits all solutions that in some cases have done more harm than good. The next thing some well intentioned (or not) person is going to berate me for my choice not to vaccinate my kids is that they are now 14X risk of dying because the CDC has data that says so.

 

[Bruce]

@MidnightRider, reading your comment I do not see how those sentences apply to the quoted CDC charts which are a small fraction of the data provided by CDC. Especially since one chart breaks out the data by age groups.

As for vaccinating kids the best evidence is that the risk from vaccination is far lower than that of not vaccinating. Beyond that there are practical benefits such as my vaccinated kids not needing to test after exposure to attend school. Of course practical benefits vary by area.

 

[AZMark]

Not trying to piss on your contribution of data that is interesting, but don't you think statements like "In September unvaccinated persons had a 14X risk of dying" is misleading at best and the spread of misinformation at worse. You can't clump data from 18-80+ and make a statement about all unvaccinated persons in general. You can't take a 18 and 80 yr old and insinuate that they are both at 14X risk of dying. Statements like that are what cause people to question good data as bias and/or untruthful. In my opinion its bad interpretations like these (in some cases intentional and some cases not) that have led to the confusing and broad one size fits all solutions that in some cases have done more harm than good. The next thing some well intentioned (or not) person is going to berate me for my choice not to vaccinate my kids is that they are now 14X risk of dying because the CDC has data that says so.

I get your point but the chart that includes the 14x has the age ranges right there.

Averages are used to describe everything in the world. They aren’t always the most representative measure, but that’s on the end user to have a grasp of what goes into an average. How far do we need to dumb things down because the average person doesn’t want to pay attention in 7th grade math?

It would be more dishonest to start picking and choosing what you include and exclude in that number vs just including everyone.

 

[crazy4life]

Interesting stuff Hacknslash.

mRna is thought to be the culprit on most of the more serious side effects that OSHA does not want published.

That according to my MD buddies. The biggest group is strokes in young healthy individuals, and deep vein thrombosis.

More thoughts on that subject.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712

 

[Bruce]

More thoughts on that subject.

Why would you post a non peer reviewed article from a quack who specializes in profiting from the ill informed?

https://www.gripeo.com/dr-steven-gundry/

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

More thoughts on that subject.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712

Wish you could read more in the link besides the abstract. There are no other details available at this link.

As the patients in this study are seen in a preventive cardiology practice, one would assume that have a certain type of cardiovascular disease.

Jim

 

[crazy4life]

Why would you post a non peer reviewed article from a quack who specializes in profiting from the ill informed?

https://www.gripeo.com/dr-steven-gundry/

I posted an article that was posted in the American Heart Association website. I think your question should be addressed to them.
Should be easy to get there email address and send then an email with your question. please post their reply here when you receive it.

 

[crazy4life]

Wish you could read more in the link besides the abstract. There are no other details available at this link.

As the patients in this study are seen in a preventive cardiology practice, one would assume that have a certain type of cardiovascular disease.

Jim

I think all the patients are ducks because evidently he is a quack.