The Vaccine

[Bruce]

@swatski, my kids have to jump through similar hoops to prove a large number of vaccinations. My mother did as well when she resumed teaching.

I found this in a family photo album last week. Seems quite similar to today’s vaccination cards and look at that, three doses

 

[AZMark]

@MidnightRider fair point on the age groups. I assumed it was based on the lack of vaccinated kids and data but that group would change the average.
I don’t see that and immediately think bias though. I don’t have any preferred messaging beyond general accuracy and facts, both sides of this debate across society certainly miss the mark on that frequently.

 

[MidnightRider]

@MidnightRider, I now understand that your concern is that the CDC left children out of their vaccinated vs unvaccinated age group chart. I expect that occurred due to a lack of data for comparison. From a practical perspective the lines for a 0-17 group would not be visible as they would be covered by the vaccinated lines for age groups under 65. The CDC does report on under 18s in other charts where they have relevant data.

This chart is for Arkansas and does not include vaccination status but the position of the 0 to 10 and 11 to 17 groups concerns me. For reference 78.7% of active cases and 88.1% of hospitalizations in Arkansas are among the unvaccinated.

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It doesn't concern me that they left them out of the chart, my concern is stating conclusions like 14x risk of death for unvaccinated while leaving out a large data set of unvaccinated and it typically being a set of data that has a very low death percentage. I'm not jumping all over this particular example, its just another case of what I feel has been very common since the beginning when presenting bias conclusions of data especially when using those conclusions to dictate measures in broad stroke ways.

 

[ripler]

We just went through (the bullshit) process of collecting/pursuing /providing the records for our kids to be eligible to participate in school (high school) swim club, and a marching band; NONE SPECIFIC TO COVID, yet, the amount of documentation of medical clearance required for them to participate in school sports appears disproportionately larger, as compared to what most of us adults need to do to continue to be eligible to do our jobs.

I should start a thread!

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And back in the day all we had to do is turn our head and cough.

 

[Bruce]

@MidnightRider, rather than being an attempt to deceive, the age restrictions, which I now understand to be 12+, are a result of limited or no data for those under 12. It is fortunate that the number of CoVID deaths under 12 is small.

You can view that chart in an interactive form at COVID Data Tracker where you also can download the data for your own analysis. Case data is viewable for as young as 12 while death data is viewable for as young as 18.

Additionally you can see similar charts for the UK and Chile at https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination . The UK data is similar to the US. Chile has a higher rate of vaccination and much lower rate of cases.

I limited the case data to the 12 to 17 age group that I believe you are most interested in.

 

[Evil Sports]

Glad to see Im not the only one who realized the one commonality in this thread. If Bruce posts an article its the gospel and for some reason possesses 100% credibility. All others are questioned and set aside as trash. The most troubling thing is Bruce/Julian cant actually see this happening. I guess when you Own the site you can wheel the credibility stamp at your own digression.

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

Glad to see Im not the only one who realized the one commonality in this thread. If Bruce posts an article its the gospel and for some reason possesses 100% credibility. All others are questioned and set aside as trash. The most troubling thing is Bruce/Julian cant actually see this happening. I guess when you Own the site you can wheel the credibility stamp at your own digression.

Yea, I don't know why Bruce quotes the sources he does! ?‍ (sarcasm, obviously)

Imagine, quoting information collected by the CDC and the University of Oxford/Oxford Martin School! ?

Jim

 

[AZMark]

Glad to see Im not the only one who realized the one commonality in this thread. If Bruce posts an article its the gospel and for some reason possesses 100% credibility. All others are questioned and set aside as trash. The most troubling thing is Bruce/Julian cant actually see this happening. I guess when you Own the site you can wheel the credibility stamp at your own digression.

Hopefully you recognize the difference between things put out by legitimate government and private healthcare organizations vs. some of the clickbait that gets posted here from sites like naturalnews & the like.
Those gov’t & healthcare organizations make mistakes and get things wrong, and there can certainly be some spin even in mostly legitimate articles, but they aren’t out there intentionally publishing gross misinformation for clicks/profit/influence.
If you find some mind blowing, conspiracy exposing stuff on an extreme partisan site and can’t find it on a moderately partisan site of the same persuasion there is a reason for that.

 

[adrianp89]

It has been a week since my wife had her first shot. Still some pain in her collarbone. Not sure if it's the shot or the idiot who administered the shot. I would bet money it was his first time sticking someone with a needle.

 

[AZMark]

It has been a week since my wife had her first shot. Still some pain in her collarbone. Not sure if it's the shot or the idiot who administered the shot. I would bet money it was his first time sticking someone with a needle.

I noticed this with mine. They seemed to push the needle in slower than any shot I have ever received. Just stab me and get it over with!

 

[tabbibus]

Today my 44yo unvaccinated patient, dad of 3 died. His wife spent Thanksgiving day at bedside. So sad. Only one covid patient left in the ICU. The 21yo I mentioned earlier.

 

[Bruce]

Today my 44yo unvaccinated patient, dad of 3 died. His wife spent Thanksgiving day at bedside. So sad. Only one covid patient left in the ICU. The 21yo I mentioned earlier.

That is terrible. Thank you for all that you are doing for those families and patients.

 

[the MfM]

B.1.1.529

Rise of a new coronavirus variant in Africa looks like the disaster scenario experts warned of if rich nations hoarded vaccines for themselves

A new coronavirus variant, named B.1.1.529, is spreading rapidly in southern Africa. It could be the nightmare result of vaccine inequality.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Tgen2013]

Vaccine inequality ,OMFG.


****Brace yourselves gentlemen, NYC just announced a new strain, newer than Delta,.......maybe its the L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T virus. F---king spare me.

The Spanish flu of 1918 fame did 3 years of world tour before it fizzled out.

In my book this Covid has went the way of the "flu", I think it will be around in perpetuity.
If people want to they will booster/vaccinate.

Man, PFIZER stocks are going to shoot to the moon.
(***Until it is shown to effect pregnant women) SARCASTIC. We all know this can not be determined without YEARS of study. It absolutely infuriates me when narrative doctors spout crap they have no idea about. There are no five year triple blind studies involving women of child bearing age. So shut your mouth RICHARD(s).

We all know you want everyone to get the vax, I like the vax, but stop lying please.

 

[Beachbummer]

@Tgen2013 I see it as the arrival of a new virus... Similar to chickenpox to America from Europe. Eventually immunity is reached, but it's not immediate, and it doesn't make the deaths less painful .


So far the # of deaths with vaccination is very very low, hopefully that continues to hold with the new variants. As you suggest, we can expect quite a few new ones.

 

[Bruce]

@Tgen2013, your post raises a few questions;

1. Why do you mention NYC? Do you have a relevant reference?

2. Are those letters referring to the Omicron variant which is of unknown significance and not yet detected in the US?

3. What do you mean by “RICHARD(s)”?

 

[the MfM]

1. Why do you mention NYC? Do you have a relevant reference?

New York is being proactive and has announced a state of emergency due to the new omicron strain

lock it down for two more weeks years!!!!

 

[Julian]

New York is being proactive and has announced a state of emergency due to the new omicron strain

lock it down for two more weeks years!!!!

I was under the impression that localized responses to pandemics was preferred over sweeping national approaches? NYC probably has the highest population density of anywhere in the US. Makes sense to me that they'd be the first place to react....no?

 

[Bruce]

@the MfM, did you bother to read the declaration which provides for increasing hospital capacity and is not a lock down?

No. 11: Declaring a Disaster Emergency in the State of New York

Declaring a Disaster Emergency in the State of New York

www.governor.ny.gov

Do you feel it is helpful to misrepresent government actions?

 

[Bruce]

It is not yet known if the new Omicron variant evades the current vaccines, how contagious it is or if it causes severe illness. It has not yet been detected in the US although only a small percentage of infections are sequenced to detect variants.

It is good that health care organizations are tracking variants and that both Pfizer and Moderna are preparing for the possibility that Omicron evades their vaccines.

The press is making much of this new variant. It could become a major concern or just another of the several that have not.

Pfizer said an updated version of its COVID-19 vaccine will be 'ready in 100 days' if the new Omicron variant is resistant to its current vaccine

Pfizer expects to know within two weeks whether the variant is resistant to its current vaccine, a company spokesperson told Reuters.

www.businessinsider.com