The Vaccine

[CAM212SS]

LOL, We do have bathrooms with no designation, we all eat at the same time, they do not sell soda. If the science (not the government) states I need a booster so I can live, I have no problem with that. The government is not telling you to do anything except what the science states. You fail to see this is not about losing your FREEDOMS. This is about saving peoples lives. That's it!!! I wish more people could see...hear... and understand this. I lost my brother to this fucking decease and it makes me sick with peoples/your arrogance. How much is your FREEDOM worth if you're dead? Or how about you passing it onto a loved one that dies. How would that make you feel? Thank GOD you got your FREEDOM!!!!

Tell me, how many people in the military, that fought for our/your FREEDOM, are vaccinated. I heard up to 17 or 18 vaccinations before deployment depending on where they're heading to? Damn!!!! People who fight to keep you FREE are vaccinated. I sure hope you are and return the favor.

You have been watching too much CNN…

My loved one has the choice to take the vaccine or not.
they do not need you to tell me to take, it because i might pass it on to them. If the vacinne is the end all, and it is not, why does not everyone shut up about it. You are fully insured by taking the vaccine… nothing to worry about Right YOU, the anointed vaccinated one, is fully protected…. Until the next variant comes down the line
Don’t you dare pint the finger to me and say I am wrong for making my own choice to do with my body as i see fit
My body my choice… do you not agreel

do i have the choice to come into your house without permission.
my own body is more sacred than even a home

 

[Bruce]

@CAM212SS, you might want to consider rewriting that to make it more understandable and remove the political statement(s).

 

[CAM212SS]

@CAM212SS, you might want to consider rewriting that to make it more understandable and remove the political statement(s).

Edited … Referring to Cuomo on CNN (replaced with CNN) (Cuomo on CNN should not be political… he is a journalist, right ?

 

[Bruce]

Edited … Referring to Cuomo on CNN (replaced with CNN) (Cuomo on CNN should not be political… he is a journalist, right ?

I think of the politician brother. Do not watch the journalist.

You are fully insured by taking the vaccine…

This is a misunderstanding that is often argued by anti-vaxxers. Vaccination does not provide complete protection to anyone. Reaching a herd immunity level of vaccination provides greater protection to everyone. Vaccination is not a shield, it trains the recipient's immune system to fight the virus after it is contracted. Vaccinated people typically have milder illness and most do not become sufficiently ill to become contagious. If a vaccinated person receives a large amount of viral material that can overwhelm the advantage of being vaccinated. In a herd immunity situation the virus has little opportunity to spread in our communities.

For many viruses the unvaccinated have been or are restricted in public and private activities. The same is already true for SARS-CoV-2 in some private activities. As the vaccines move from authorization to full approval it is likely that public activities will be restricted for the unvaccinated.

 

[adrianp89]

Excerpt from a Q/A with Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. I found this interesting as I've been very curious about immunity in regards to previous infection and have found very little discussion or data about it. As I mentioned in earlier in this thread my wife is a strong believer in natural immunity, she was previously infected and decided not to get vaccinated because of that. To her at least, this proved true when the group of friends she was on a trip with all got sick even though vaccinated and she didn't get sick being unvaccinated (this past March she had tested positive).

I appreciated this view point for natural immunity from someone that is very much pro-vaccine.

Excerpt:
"Some people already have 'natural immunity' – that is, immunity from prior COVID infection. During every month of this pandemic, I've had debates with other public researchers about the effectiveness and durability of natural immunity. I've been told that natural immunity could fall off a cliff, rendering people susceptible to infection. But here we are now, over a year and a half into the clinical experience of observing patients who were infected, and natural immunity is effective and going strong. And that's because with natural immunity, the body develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus, not just a spike protein constructed from a vaccine. The power of natural immunity was recently affirmed in an Israeli study, which found a 6.7 times greater level of protection among those with natural immunity vs. those with vaccinated immunity.
Requiring the vaccine in people who are already immune with natural immunity has no scientific support. While vaccinating those people may be beneficial – and it's a reasonable hypothesis that vaccination may bolster the longevity of their immunity – to argue dogmatically that they must get vaccinated has zero clinical outcome data to back it. As a matter of fact, we have data to the contrary: A Cleveland Clinic study found that vaccinating people with natural immunity did not add to their level of protection.

So instead of talking about the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, we should be talking about the immune and the non-immune. Immunity is something people can test for with a simple antibody test. I would never recommend that anyone intentionally acquire the infection in order to get natural immunity, but vaccine passports and proof-of-vaccine documents should recognize it.
Now, if someone does not have natural immunity from prior infection, then they should immediately go out and get the vaccine. I'm pro-vaccine. But the issue of the appropriate clinical indication of the vaccine is not an all-or-nothing phenomenon, as we frequently see in American culture and politics.

I'm perplexed at the vitriol directed at folks who are reluctant to get vaccinated. For some, the biggest driver of their hesitancy is the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which has failed to issue the long-overdue full approval of the COVID-19 vaccines due to stability testing which has nothing to do with safety.

The goal of our pandemic response should be to reduce death, illness and disability, but instead what you're seeing is a movement that has morphed from being pro-vaccine to vaccine fanaticism at all costs."

Careful, this makes too much sense.

 

[AZMark]

I feel more free than I did 1 year ago, and quite possibly more than I’ll feel 1 month from now.
The vaccine, which remains optional, helped make that happen.
No one is going to hold you down and stick a needle in your arm. You might have to make some life choices about what companies you work or do business with but that’s what freedom looks like for them.
Freedom has never meant do whatever you want wherever you want.

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[Beachbummer]

What else would you like your company to make mandatory. (If you were back at the office) Why not mandatory bathrooms combined male and female. Why not mandatory everyone has to eat the same food. Mandatory no carbonated beverages. If you have had one shot or two, it is not the end. It will be mandatory to get every shot down the line. What is the end ? The government will never let this to end. The control on you is far too great. Think of the power we the people have lost in the last year and a half to what we have to show forth now. We are giving up freedoms

Why are you excluding things that are already mandatory? Here's a few you already deal with:

Don't go into the bathroom that is not of your gender.

Shirt and Shoes?

Wash hands after restroom use? (mandatory food service)

Park between the lines??

Yellow Fever vaccine before traveling to Africa ??

All things we tolerate now, and are for the benefit of all involved...

 

[Dean P]

@adrianp89 Totally off topic. Did you pick up a new boat? Pics? Congrats!!!

 

[adrianp89]

Why are you excluding things that are already mandatory? Here's a few you already deal with:

Park between the lines??

I wish this was mandatory. Especially at the ramp.

 

[adrianp89]

@adrianp89 Totally off topic. Did you pick up a new boat? Pics? Congrats!!!

Yup, back in march. Thank you!

https://jetboaters.net/threads/252se-nice-aft-build-thread.31994/

 

[Dean P]

Yup, back in march. Thank you!

https://jetboaters.net/threads/252se-nice-aft-build-thread.31994/

Cool! Sorry I just noticed. Last question: Any chance you were in downtown ST Pete Sunday morning. I saw a nice/new black 252 tied up at the dock next to Frescos.

Back to the thread...

 

[adrianp89]

Cool! Sorry I just noticed. Last question: Any chance you were in downtown ST Pete Sunday morning. I saw a nice/new black 252 tied up at the dock next to Frescos.

Back to the thread...

Nope, I mostly stay in the ICW or Lake Tarpon.

 

[MidnightRider]

Wow - I envy you guys that can so easily put so much trust in the government and governmental agencies. Its always ironic to me how just about everyone at some point complains how bad government is and then turns around and just hands them more and more control. There is so much corruption out there based on all kinds of greed, personal agenda, political agenda. You are crazy if you think that this does have a direct affect on the data and decisions that are coming out of these establishments. You say take my freedom of choice because I trust your decisions are following science so I have no problem you mandating injecting whatever into my body. Ok, lets say that is a sane stance today (its not) what happens when your beloved trusted government uses this precedent to start mandating injections that don't line up with science? You think they will care that you now don't agree with them and want that freedom of choice back? Protecting our freedom is usually less about what is happening right now, which is why it is so tempting to give up in the moment for a bit of security, its how that concession will affect us in the future. Its always a slow grab and to get it back is extremely rare. Really protecting freedom means protecting it for those you agree with and for those you don't agree with. If not than it doesn't mean anything because just give it a while and soon you will be on the other side of the freedom vs security debate. Remember there are other perspectives other than your own, you don't need to agree with them but it does no one any good to just dismiss them as idiots. I have a friend who was pretty seriously injured from a vaccine side affect (confirmed and documented by the medical community), he is scared to death of vaccines. You can't tell him it is safe and very little risk of side affects, he's been there and heard that. I may not agree with him on the covid vaccine but I sure understand his hesitancy/aversion to trusting any vaccine. Everyone is my body my choice until they disagree with the choice then all of a sudden it is "my body my choice" but NOT "your body your choice".

 

[Bruce]

Wow - I envy you guys that can so easily put so much trust in the government

Why trust the government? Spend a few minutes reading the peer reviewed publications of the multi-center international, adequately powered, double blinded, randomized, controlled studies of the vaccines and you will soon reach your own conclusion that they are safe and effective.

For example https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577

 

[Julian]

Wow - I envy you guys that can so easily put so much trust in the government and governmental agencies.

I'm not putting my trust in the government - they didn't create these vaccines. Our amazing healthcare experts created them over 20 years of grueling effort. They've been given to MILLIONS of people now and are working to reduce the impact of Covid worldwide. These folks need Nobel prizes, Medals etc.

Unfortunately variants will continue - lets hope they become less deadly and more like the flu! But I think one thing I've learned is that the feelings of sympathy I used to have for people in Asian countries wearing masks (Pre Covid) have now turned into understanding that they work and help. Flu was knocked down massively because we all wore masks (it is less virulent than Covid so was even harder to spread) - and as someone who had a close friend killed by the flu - thats a great thing! Asian countries have much higher population density so they learned quickly during SARS that masks work-because they had to. Here in the US - we have fewer dense areas, so it will be less imperative to wear masks in many situations, but airplanes, subways, buses, indoor concerts etc - will all be places that I MAY chose to wear a mask in the future -simply to avoid colds/flu/covid and whatever else is next.

Also, regarding national health. I'd rather put my faith in a government than a for profit company (IE Insurance company). The for profit company has one agenda - make money off you. National Health Systems (like Israel's) are incented on quality of life, health statistics and longevity. I'll take the latter every time.

 

[MidnightRider]

Sigh, did you guys even read my whole post? You missed the whole point. I'm not talking about trusting the vaccine. I'm talking about exactly what you guys did, came to your own conclusions about the safety of the vaccine. I'm addressing the talk of mandates that would take that choice away from you by mandating what you inject into your body in order to live your life. Whatever, I'm not going to just regurgitate my post here - re-read it if you want or don't.

 

[I_squared_r]

I got the moderna last Thursday and my arm hurt like hell for a few days. I already had a strong covid infection in april so I feel that its pointless, but Canada will require vaccination if I decide to travel to quebec this fall.

 

[AZMark]

Sigh, did you guys even read my whole post? You missed the whole point. I'm not talking about trusting the vaccine. I'm talking about exactly what you guys did, came to your own conclusions about the safety of the vaccine. I'm addressing the talk of mandates that would take that choice away from you by mandating what you inject into your body in order to live your life. Whatever, I'm not going to just regurgitate my post here - re-read it if you want or don't.

There is no government mandate that any American must take any vaccine. I don’t think many here are arguing for or would support such a thing.
Yes, your activities may be temporarily limited by not having it, but you still have the choice.

 

[I_squared_r]

I am not canadian. Maybe i'm traveling to quebec from NY and the border is closed to unvaccinated.

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[Tgen2013]

Well there ya go.

(PS I forgot, people from Quebec think there from an independent country).

That does bring up another dimension to this whole discussion, a majority of the industrialized world is some sort of funky socialism. That means if any of you have world travel in your even distant future they will require "vaccination" and proof thereof.