Another Clean-Out Plug Thread

[anmut]

Pretty sure it’s #350

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Thanks - did you call them directly to order these or find them on the website or other source?

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

Thanks - did you call them directly to order these or find them on the website or other source?

I did not, have not tried yet, I was just trying to help out as initially I did not realize that I had to scroll down to find #350 O ring.

 

[anmut]

I did not, have not tried yet, I was just trying to help out as initially I did not realize that I had to scroll down to find #350 O ring.

Well I'll let you know when I get them. $12.50 a piece + $14 in shipping, just FYI!!

 

[TeenGee]

I bought them here: Pardon Our Interruption
I bought 5 packs of #248, #350, & #425 for $23.81 shipped.
I may try stacking a pair of #248 and see how they work.

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

I bought them here: Pardon Our Interruption
I bought 5 packs of #248, #350, & #425 for $23.81 shipped.
I may try stacking a pair of #248 and see how they work.

How many are in a pack?

 

[TeenGee]

I bought 1 pack of each size with each pack containing 5 rings.

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

I bought 1 pack of each size with each pack containing 5 rings.

Thank you!

 

[drewkaree]

I'm trying to understand what the O-ring is doing in the equation. Is it sealing the bottom of the rubber ring on the cleanout plug, or is it giving the rubber ring something to slide over, and giving structure to the bottom of the plug?

If it works, and can be slid up into the gap between the rubber skirt of the cleanout plug, and by eliminating any flex there, that's the bit it needs to seal, then maybe other things can be slid into that gap as well.

Sounds like a great find!

 

[TeenGee]

I'm trying to understand what the O-ring is doing in the equation. Is it sealing the bottom of the rubber ring on the cleanout plug, or is it giving the rubber ring something to slide over, and giving structure to the bottom of the plug?

If it works, and can be slid up into the gap between the rubber skirt of the cleanout plug, and by eliminating any flex there, that's the bit it needs to seal, then maybe other things can be slid into that gap as well.

Sounds like a great find!

I believe the o-ring is sealing between the groove in the port and the bottom of the lip on the plug. It may also cause the rubber skirt on the plug to bulge slightly and seal against the wall of the port.
I think putting something into the gap between the rubber skirt and the cleanout plug will cause the skirt to rub as the plug is installed.

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

I believe the o-ring is sealing between the groove in the port and the bottom of the lip on the plug. It may also cause the rubber skirt on the plug to bulge slightly and seal against the wall of the port.
I think putting something into the gap between the rubber skirt and the cleanout plug will cause the skirt to rub as the plug is installed.

I think having an O ring there will tighten up the fit and increase the sealing pressure and cause the “skirt” to flex outward in the well to provide a better seal, which by your account it totally does. Very exciting.

I was trying to figure out a way last year to tighten up the fit between the top of the locking groove to add downward pressure on the seal but realized that wouldn’t work because it’s a groove and would be limited in travel so to speak, so you’re idea with the O ring is brilliant!

 

[TeenGee]

I think having an O ring there will tighten up the fit and increase the sealing pressure and cause the “skirt” to flex outward in the well to provide a better seal, which by your account it totally does. Very exciting.

I was trying to figure out a way last year to tighten up the fit between the top of the locking groove to add downward pressure on the seal but realized that wouldn’t work because it’s a groove and would be limited in travel so to speak, so you’re idea with the O ring is brilliant!

Thanks.
It's a case of blind squirrel finding nuts.

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

Thanks.
It's a case of blind squirrel finding nuts.

LOL! Either way.. the nut was found and it was a good one!

 

[Spooky pantz]

Thanks to TeenGee - I ordered some O rings directly from their website. 1 was the same price as 46 so I have 45 extra! Put in the O ring and did a plug rebuild. Seems to fit nice and snug now.
Last time out, my plug was filled with water and the inspection lid was forced open. I’m hoping that was the major source of my leak and hoping this will fix it!

 

[drewkaree]

Thanks to TeenGee - I ordered some O rings directly from their website. 1 was the same price as 46 so I have 45 extra! Put in the O ring and did a plug rebuild. Seems to fit nice and snug now.
Last time out, my plug was filled with water and the inspection lid was forced open. I’m hoping that was the major source of my leak and hoping this will fix it!

The inspection lid has nothing pushing against it, nor is it under pressure from below. Did you happen to have something in that cleanout tray, towels, swimsuits, sandbar spikes, etc? Is it possible your inspection hatch is worn, and fits too loosely?

 

[Spooky pantz]

Nothing else was back there and not sure what it is supposed to feel like. It is a little looser than I would expect, so I will try to figure something out to make it more snug. I had already added weather stripping around it as I don’t want to spend 100+ on a riser

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

Nothing else was back there and not sure what it is supposed to feel like. It is a little looser than I would expect, so I will try to figure something out to make it more snug. I had already added weather stripping around it as I don’t want to spend 100+ on a riser

You can adjust the latch arm by loosening the allen head set screw and turn the latch arm down to tighten it up, don’t forget to tighten the set screw back.

 

[drewkaree]

You can adjust the latch arm by loosening the allen head set screw and turn the latch arm down to tighten it up, don’t forget to tighten the set screw back.

I think he's referring to this thing - @Spooky pantz please clarify the part that was loose. As you can see in that pic, there's 4 little nubs that may be worn down, if this is indeed the area you're referring to.

A riser doesn't have to cost you $100, you can DIY a 1/2" version for $8-15, and a 1" version for less than $25. See my signature for a DIY Cleanout Hatch Riser.

 

[Spooky pantz]

Yes, exactly. When I checked the hatch, the plug was completely full of water and the inspection panel had been opened up. Thanks for the link!

 

[drewkaree]

the plug was completely full of water

This is typical and normal to hear

the inspection panel had been opened up

This is NOT! lol I'd definitely check the little nubs ASAP, to see if they're worn beyond serviceable use and you may need a new ring, or inspection hatch, or both. Dunno if it's an all-in-one deal, or if they sell them separately.

You're welcome for the link, if you have at least some basic tools like a jigsaw and some sandpaper, you should be able to fashion a DIY riser. Better, or more tools, like a router and sander will make it faster, easier and quality will likely be easier to obtain, but there's no need to drop a hundred if money is tight right now. Just realize that $100 item is there for you, and realistically, that's less than the cost of a tank of fuel, so in boating terms, that's what we call "a drop in the bucket".

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[anmut]

I ordered the o-rings and received them over the weekend. Interestingly enough, they were not the right size for my plugs, too big. HOWEVER, they fit perfectly on the lip of the bottom part of the plug holder "rim." I found this out on accident by loosely fitting it over my plug, and putting the plug in. Plug came up with no o-ring and I thought it dropped through to the driveway. I spent 10 minutes trying to find the damn o-ring in the pump housing and on the ground, then I realized it had nested itself into the that lip perfectly.

Now fitting the plug on top of that o-ring gives it a nice snug feel, however I'm super nervous to try this out. I don't want to have that rubber flange on the plug open up and somehow jam itself in there and not be able to get the plug out...

Thoughts from the brain trust on this site?