The Vaccine

[Bruce]

I believe in the "vaccine" and therefore don't plan on wearing a mask unless required by law.

Ummm. No, I’m not. As stated previously, here is the “disinformation” provided by Dr. Fauci, and the CDC over the last year and a half.
“It’s no worse than the flu”. “ it’s 10 times worse than the flu“

Are you able to produce any reference to the CDC or Dr. Fauci, who works at the NIH, stating that CoVID is "no worse than the flu"?

 

[tabbibus]

dude bruce. don't feed the trolls. It is beyond silly at this point.

 

[mwalker4]

Are you able to produce any reference to the CDC or Dr. Fauci, who works at the NIH, stating that CoVID is "no worse than the flu"?

I'm not sure on your point on my quote, but I'm done. so peace out y’all

 

[Mesa50]

I’m on your side when it comes to vaccinations. I was also wearing a mask back when we were being told that they were more likely to harm us than help. I’m just pointing out the fact that the “science” has been anything but. And I understand why there are so many who don’t trust anything they hear. The “science” was nothing more than political pandering.
One of his quotes was that the threat of Americans getting coronavirus was “minuscule compared to the clear and present danger of the flu”. He also went on to say that there is no reason for Americans to wear a mask.

 

[Bruce]

@Mesa50, masks are simple. When you inhale a large amount of virus it gains an advantage over your immune system. Any filtration that reduces the amount of virus that you inhale in an exposure situation gives your immune system an advantage. That remains a constant after vaccination.

The delta variant's higher emissions from those infected and faster replication inside our bodies create a greater need for masking.

Any filtration helps. My fully vaccinated family wears quality masks in public. Currently that is KN95 which combine comfort and breathability with high levels of filtration.

 

[tabbibus]

Saw a funny joke

Anti vaxxers say they don't want to be part of an experiment. Turns out, they're the control group.

 

[Bluewater272]

Saw a funny joke

Anti vaxxers say they don't want to be part of an experiment. Turns out, they're the control group.

Yet, despite all the 'resurch' they did, probably don't even get the joke.

 

[2kwik4u]

Saw the same joke as @tabbibus and had the same reaction as @seanmclean

@Bruce My understanding of masks is that it's never been about filtration of incoming air, but reduction of distance travelled of outgoing air. The mask is to protect everyone else FROM you, not the other way around. Filtration not being the goal, almost any obstruction to prevent the travel of particles from the mouth is a win........Am I misunderstanding the purpose here? Anyone confirm/deny this premise here?

 

[tabbibus]

Saw the same joke as @tabbibus and had the same reaction as @seanmclean

@Bruce My understanding of masks is that it's never been about filtration of incoming air, but reduction of distance travelled of outgoing air. The mask is to protect everyone else FROM you, not the other way around. Filtration not being the goal, almost any obstruction to prevent the travel of particles from the mouth is a win........Am I misunderstanding the purpose here? Anyone confirm/deny this premise here?

yes and no.

The main ask right now for masking is to minimize transmission. Mostly droplets leaving the infected. This is why surgical masks are ok and we are not asking everyone to wear n95. The surgical mask will have some level of protection against catching the virus but not as much as the n95. Remember, you are not filtering the virus, but rather the larger droplets in which it travels.

 

[Ronnie]

Am I in CA getting / seeing the same news that the rest of the states are? That is that the current surge driven by the delta variant is impacting the unvaccinated the most? If so how much more proof does anyone need to convince them to get vaccinated?

One of the news stories last night was a quote from a statement made by a relatively young (40ish) father of five to his fiancé just before he died after contracting the corona virus, “I should have gotten the damn vaccine.” To that I thought, “no shit”, I still feel bad for the guy, especially his kids butalso thought that, based on other news stories and interviews with scientists, he may have survived if he was vaccinated. I bet his kids will be pro vaxxers now, what a crappy way to be convinced to get vaccinated.

it literally costs nothing to get vaccinated and could cost everything to remain unvaccinated.

 

[2kwik4u]

yes and no.

The main ask right now for masking is to minimize transmission. Mostly droplets leaving the infected. This is why surgical masks are ok and we are not asking everyone to wear n95. The surgical mask will have some level of protection against catching the virus but not as much as the n95. Remember, you are not filtering the virus, but rather the larger droplets in which it travels.

Thanks for the clarification. I think I was on the right track there in my mind, but didn't articulate it well.

 

[HangOutdoors]

Am I in CA getting / seeing the same news that the rest of the states are? That is that the current surge driven by the delta variant is impacting the unvaccinated the most? If so how much more proof does anyone need to convince them to get vaccinated?

One of the news stories last night was a quote from a statement made by a relatively young (40ish) father of five to his fiancé just before he died after contracting the corona virus, “I should have gotten the damn vaccine.” To that I thought, “no shit”, I still feel bad for the guy, especially his kids butalso thought that, based on other news stories and interviews with scientists, he may have survived if he was vaccinated. I bet his kids will be pro vaxxers now, what a crappy way to be convinced to get vaccinated.

it literally costs nothing to get vaccinated and could cost everything to remain unvaccinated.

I read that article and thought the same thing. Wasn't worth it to him and definitely not his family to hold off.

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

Am I in CA getting / seeing the same news that the rest of the states are? That is that the current surge driven by the delta variant is impacting the unvaccinated the most? If so how much more proof does anyone need to convince them to get vaccinated?

This by far is one of the most frustrating things I have seen in lifetime. In the U.S. we are having hundreds of Americans dying each day, needlessly, from a disease that can be avoided.

Jim

 

[2kwik4u]

This by far is one of the most frustrating things I have seen in lifetime. In the U.S. we are having hundreds of Americans dying each day, needlessly, from a disease that can be avoided.

Jim

I agree.......And I think we can stand here and bicker/argue/discuss mandates legal basis, the efficacy of treatments and preventative measures, and any other myriad of details until we're blue in the face.

For me, it has really opened my eyes as to the lack of advancement of society within this country in areas such as critical thinking and empathy. Most, if not all, of the measures are relatively low risk and/or low effort. Lives could have been spared, economy could have been largely unhurt, and we could have moved past this in short order (or maybe just shorter order) with just a few changes to daily life. By and large however, the average citizen appears to give zero shits beyond his/her small personal circle of influence and cannot see the greater good that could come from any of these small steps. It's wildly disheartening to have things that I thought were "Surely people aren't really like that" be shown to me over and over again, even in my own close group of friends and family. I don't claim to be some sage philosopher, but damn, some of the stuff I've heard come out of peoples mouths is just so blatantly wrong, and worse, some of it's overly hateful.

I feel like a kid that learns what death is when his first dog dies. I can't close that box of knowledge back up and go back to before. I know what lives in peoples thoughts on basic reasoning and care for others around them, and that sucks.

 

[tabbibus]

I agree.......And I think we can stand here and bicker/argue/discuss mandates legal basis, the efficacy of treatments and preventative measures, and any other myriad of details until we're blue in the face.

For me, it has really opened my eyes as to the lack of advancement of society within this country in areas such as critical thinking and empathy. Most, if not all, of the measures are relatively low risk and/or low effort. Lives could have been spared, economy could have been largely unhurt, and we could have moved past this in short order (or maybe just shorter order) with just a few changes to daily life. By and large however, the average citizen appears to give zero shits beyond his/her small personal circle of influence and cannot see the greater good that could come from any of these small steps. It's wildly disheartening to have things that I thought were "Surely people aren't really like that" be shown to me over and over again, even in my own close group of friends and family. I don't claim to be some sage philosopher, but damn, some of the stuff I've heard come out of peoples mouths is just so blatantly wrong, and worse, some of it's overly hateful.

I feel like a kid that learns what death is when his first dog dies. I can't close that box of knowledge back up and go back to before. I know what lives in peoples thoughts on basic reasoning and care for others around them, and that sucks.

Agree with you. I've been incredibly disappointed in my fellow humans. Now imaging having to go and treat these fellow humans for the virus and they STILL are being rude and saying those sucky things!

 

[2kwik4u]

Agree with you. I've been incredibly disappointed in my fellow humans. Now imaging having to go and treat these fellow humans for the virus and they STILL are being rude and saying those sucky things!

Dude that sucks. Keep your head up. We appreciate you!

Know that it's not the whole world. I'm trying hard every day to remember that myself.

 

[Julian]

@Mesa50 I am unable to source many of the "quotes" you made. For example, could you provide a source where Fauci said Covid was no worse than the flu?

Many were, and apparently still are confused by why, early on, we were told we didn't need to wear masks. 1) it hadn't spread much, 2)the stockpile of masks was depleted. The latter certainly is an interesting one. Anti government folks can point to that and say....they lied to us on purpose. Pro Healthcare folks would say....glad they gathered up PPE to help the hospital staff out! Both would be correct. But its not hard to understand WHY the talk track changed. People who keep pointing at the flip flop as a reason for concern....I don't get. It isn't hard to understand.

Politics and Healthcare don't mix well.

The scientific method works. And often results in changing hypotheses....that is normal! Celebrate it vs distrust it.

 

[2kwik4u]

Well......Was just advised I was exposed at the office. Going to find my mask from the desk drawer, close my door for a bit, then determine what steps to take next. I'm vaccinated so my concern is relatively low, as is my wifes. My 10yr old and 3yr old are not, so I'm uncertain where that leaves me.

Had vacation plans this weekend with a large group of people, guess I'll be cancelling those. Wonder if I get my deposit back on the cabin?

I'm honestly just tired of dealing with this shit. I can't imagine what you front line guys are going through. This has to just, well, suck.

 

[josh195]

Am I in CA getting / seeing the same news that the rest of the states are? That is that the current surge driven by the delta variant is impacting the unvaccinated the most? If so how much more proof does anyone need to convince them to get vaccinated?

One of the news stories last night was a quote from a statement made by a relatively young (40ish) father of five to his fiancé just before he died after contracting the corona virus, “I should have gotten the damn vaccine.” To that I thought, “no shit”, I still feel bad for the guy, especially his kids butalso thought that, based on other news stories and interviews with scientists, he may have survived if he was vaccinated. I bet his kids will be pro vaxxers now, what a crappy way to be convinced to get vaccinated.

it literally costs nothing to get vaccinated and could cost everything to remain unvaccinated.

This by far is one of the most frustrating things I have seen in lifetime. In the U.S. we are having hundreds of Americans dying each day, needlessly, from a disease that can be avoided.

Jim

CDC: 74% Of People Infected in Massachusetts COVID-19 Outbreak Were Vaccinated

Most states aren't even tracking breakthrough cases.

 

[Bruce]

@2wik

CDC: 74% Of People Infected in Massachusetts COVID-19 Outbreak Were Vaccinated

Most states aren't even tracking breakthrough cases.

Arkansas tracks breakthrough cases and we often are leading the country in delta. More than 95% of CoVID diagnosis, hospitalizations and deaths in Arkansas are in the 65% of the population that is unvaccinated. Texas and NY have reported similar data.

The MA Data, that is receiving wild media attention, certainly is compelling that vaccinated people should wear masks and that vaccination reduces the severity of infection.