The Vaccine

[Bruce]

Bruce, What happened to the Plasma donations I was doing during the winter, I was under the impression that was quite helpful but I dont hear anything about it now. Its surprising we still dont have solid treatments protocols for this. The Vax was made in a year but solid treatments not so much

Viruses to hard to treat. We have a lot of antibiotics to treat bacterial infections so typically they can be cleared up quickly. @swatski has a much greater understanding of this but viruses are so similar to our own cells and so infectious that it is hard to kill them without killing our own cells. On the very positive side vaccination is possible for SARS-CoV-2. For some viruses like HIV vaccination is near if not impossible.

There were numerous studies of donor and monoclonal antibodies. Attempts to treat progressed patients with donor antibodies typically failed. I do have a friend who is an extremely fit male nurse in his 50s who believes he was saved by a matched antibody donor dosing after being put on oxygen. Unfortunately he has continued to have long CoVID symptoms. The monoclonal antibodies were identified among patient antibodies then produced in labs. Since they are lab produced they can be concentrated and delivered in large volume.

Thank you for donating. I have no doubt that recipients are better for your sacrifice. Do you know if your donations were used in a study? If so I may be able to find that publication for you.

I do believe that hospital doctors have become better at knowing what to do when. @tabbibus likely can provide info on that. My perspective from the data is that doctors are doing a much better job of keeping patients alive. Of course delta is making that a more difficult challenge.

 

[Tgen2013]

I do not know where you get your disinformation but my state is leading on delta and kids are getting sicker with CoVID than they ever have before. Overall 2/3rd of our January peak of cases filled more ICUs and used more ventilators than we ever have before. Hospitals are frequently reporting average ages of ICU patients in the 40s and even 30s. Elective surgeries are being cancelled statewide. Delta is not a joke.

More Arkansas kids are getting COVID-19, and they are getting sicker

Contrary to earlier in the pandemic, when kids were rarely reported to become severely sick with COVID-19, health officials are now alerting the public that the virus is rapidly affecting more children and teens.Driving the news: State health secretary Jose Romero said Tuesday during Gov. Asa...

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As a matter of fact it was Lester Holt on NBC tonight. Our local news here in Indy quoted the same.
They also said in school age children less than 1% exhibit serious symptoms. Its not dis-information, lefty. Its whats happening here in Indiana, and if Im not mistaken NBC would be repeating national trends.
**That doesnt mean your state is not encountering what you speak of.
A buddy of mine just got it. He didnt want to take the Vax. Shame on him. Hes got flu like symptoms but its not "serious".. Hes in his mid-thirties.

 

[Ronnie]

The headline (under the pic) alone is just heart wrenching. Kids don’t get to make choices but they have to live with the consequences of poor choices made on their behalf.

 

[Bruce]

lefty.

Political discussion is not allowed on this forum and should not play a role in health decisions.

The rest of your "information" seems more relevant to alpha than to delta.

I hope your friend will recover quickly and completely. Early SARS-CoV-2 infections typically appear mild. Hopefully he does not progress to CoVID-19.

 

[tabbibus]

Thank you sir

Yes. Please reach out to your medical provider. You are still early and if you qualify, an antibody cocktail will be your way bet. If you wait too long or get too sick you will not qualify for this treatment.

Convalescent Plasma transfusion is hit or miss on the data. It is no longer standard of care but some still do it. Steroids seem more effective. We do a procedure called plasma exchange in which we remove plasma from the patient and give them fresh plasma. Great results in ICU patients

 

[BigN8]

Jesus, now they are talking about the "Delta Plus" variant..... This shit is never gonna end. They need to hurry up and legalize marijuana in Tejas cause my liver can't handle another lockdown.

 

[Bluewater272]

Another lock down is coming. One of my employees wife is in management for a large hospital group. He told me earlier that the cdc contacted them today and want them to prepare for another lockdown. Idk if it will happen or not

Sounds like my buddy's coworker's friends boss that heard the Governor was going to impose martial law. AKA, this likely didn't happen.

 

[djetok]

Sounds like my buddy's coworker's friends boss that heard the Governor was going to impose martial law. AKA, this likely didn't happen.

I agree @seanmclean , that was my initial thought as well. All I know is they are preparing for it. She will be in her home office tomorrow going forward. So I will give it a little bit of legs, along with all the noise out of DC where they are talking about.

 

[Ronnie]

I work for a large healthcare company. We are supposed to go back into the office in September. That has not changed yet, even with the advent of the delta variant. Instead we are being told that we will have to wear masks at work, will be returning in a hybrid telecom/in person schedule and those that are not vaccinated must be tested twice a week. Those that are vaccinated must submit proof of vaccination. My old coworkers at Apple are told that they must return to work in October. All the counties around me and the one that I live in have mandated mask wearing in doors/business. All this leads me to believe we are not looking at another lock down situation at least not yet. I just heard about delta plus last night so ….

 

[Julian]

I work for a large healthcare company. We are supposed to go back into the office in September. That has not changed yet, even with the advent of the delta variant. Instead we are being told that we will have to wear masks at work, will be returning in a hybrid telecom/in person schedule and those that are not vaccinated must be tested twice a week. Those that are vaccinated must submit proof of vaccination. My old coworkers at Apple are told that they must return to work in October. All the counties around me and the one that I live in have mandated mask wearing in doors/business. All this leads me to believe we are not looking at another lock down situation at least not yet. I just heard about delta plus last night so ….

We are likely going to reduce our office space by roughly 50% worldwide (already begun). Most employees will be eligible to work from home indefinitely. No one will be required to go into the office except perhaps physical IT support staff.

Nextgen in India has told their staff they can all work from Home from now on.

Surprised your healthcare company isn't going virtual WFH.

 

[tabbibus]

My wife works at Deloitte and they closed down some of their many floors in their high-rise here in ATL. Most people will work from home. Almost no one will get a dedicated office/cube.

 

[2kwik4u]

Got a negative test this morning for those keeping score at home. Not sure if that means the previous infection and the vaccine did the job, or that I just didn't catch the bug from the offending person in the office (although I still don't know who it was I have been informed he was IN my office on Monday morning)......Anywho, not going to cancel weekend plans at this point. Good thing because I didn't want to lose my deposit. Going to keep my mask on indoors, and near big groups for another 10 days or so, just in case it was a false negative (It was a PCR test, and those are supposed to be reliable I'm told).

Also, saw this, and thought it was a really good analogy for the discussion.

 

[jlcj7]

My wife is getting over Covid (not vaccinated). I obviously was around her quite a bit for many days before she found out she has Covid. I was vaccinated and have tested negative (PCR test). Not sure it the vaccine worked or I got lucky.

 

[tabbibus]

Good lord NO, please not again. Yes you hear more contagious but you dont hear more lethal. And I didnt say eradicated. If its variants become less lethal as I believe is the case it will get to the point where people will just deal with it for a few days and have stronger immunity. NO reason for a lock down except to further push towards the Great Reset, perhaps some research on what life in the US will be like after The Great Reset initiative.

Now is the time for a 'great reset' of capitalism | World Economic Forum

Davos 2021 - World Economic Forum 'The Great Reset

Another glitch in the matrix... I was just listening to my favorite conspiracies podcast and they are talking about Davos and the reset.

 

[AZMark]

Got a negative test this morning for those keeping score at home. Not sure if that means the previous infection and the vaccine did the job, or that I just didn't catch the bug from the offending person in the office (although I still don't know who it was I have been informed he was IN my office on Monday morning)......Anywho, not going to cancel weekend plans at this point. Good thing because I didn't want to lose my deposit. Going to keep my mask on indoors, and near big groups for another 10 days or so, just in case it was a false negative (It was a PCR test, and those are supposed to be reliable I'm told).

Also, saw this, and thought it was a really good analogy for the discussion.

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Of my friends that recently tested postive some took nearly a week from when they thought they were exposed before they finally tested positive. They had a few tests.

 

[AZMark]

Another glitch in the matrix... I was just listening to my favorite conspiracies podcast and they are talking about Davos and the reset.

The great reset proposed in that article is not quite a scary as it sounds. Plus "they" missed the only real opportunity at the start of covid and major lockdowns. I don't think we'll see lockdowns/panic of that level with new surges unless a substantially deadlier variant arises.

Stakeholder capitalism isn't a bad thing. Most small businesses and responsible larger businesses already practice it. If you're on this board and you happen to own a cutthroat hedge fund along with your Yamaha then you might worry. I'm guessing that's a rare profile.

 

[Julian]

@Evil Sports I laughed while reading the great reset link you posted.....at this line in particular:

Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed. In short, we need a “Great Reset” of capitalism.​

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apparently the authors/theorists on this one didn't get the memo that China isn't capitalist! LOL And to suggest that EVERY country in the world would participate in a capitalist plan is nothing other than laughable. I didn't read beyond that...but much like many of the investment bloggers online....follow the money on this one....I wonder what their line is??

 

[2kwik4u]

@Evil Sports I laughed while reading the great reset link you posted.....at this line in particular:

Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed. In short, we need a “Great Reset” of capitalism.​

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apparently the authors/theorists on this one didn't get the memo that China isn't capitalist! LOL And to suggest that EVERY country in the world would participate in a capitalist plan is nothing other than laughable. I didn't read beyond that...but much like many of the investment bloggers online....follow the money on this one....I wonder what their line is??

Have a guy here in the office that spent the better part of 20min explaining this great reset to me. I couldn't get a word in edgewise. Lots of talk about pterochem dollars, and indentured loans is all the american dollar was. I mean there was some SERIOUS mental gymnastics going on to formulate these premises. I finally just put my hands up and said "You lost me at anyone beyond a few countries following a capitalist anything". Just glared at me and walked away. Haven't talked to him since, and that was like March of last year?

 

[Julian]

Have a guy here in the office that spent the better part of 20min explaining this great reset to me. I couldn't get a word in edgewise. Lots of talk about pterochem dollars, and indentured loans is all the american dollar was. I mean there was some SERIOUS mental gymnastics going on to formulate these premises. I finally just put my hands up and said "You lost me at anyone beyond a few countries following a capitalist anything". Just glared at me and walked away. Haven't talked to him since, and that was like March of last year?

I read a little more into it, and one of the 3 tenets is to effectively change every country's tax plan on corporations....yeah...that's not going to EVER happen. Just seems like such a naive idea at the get go. Leaders are barely able to get small groups of countries to agree on trade/tax agreements (and even then, the next leader changes them). To think that anyone could get EVERY country to agree to ANYTHING is a childish oversimplification. Falls into the realm of fairy tale dreaming - or perhaps Comic book story line (but even that is demeaning to comic book writers!)

 

[Evil Sports]

I only put that up because I was shown it in 2019 and was like WTF. Its now shrouded in Covid response banter.