The Vaccine

[Julian]

Are there K95 masks? From what I understand there are N95 Masks which are the U.S. Standard and KN95 Masks which are the China Standard. The N95 are more stringent. Of course there are those here whom no far more about it.

I get mine from Amazon, the N95 but only the one type which was recommended to me. The Admiral gets hers from a Medical Equipment Store since she works at the Hospital. I choose not to have her get mine from there since I feel the Medical Staff should have preference and supply always.

Amazon.com : niosh n95 mask

@ripler I've been getting them on Amazon. KN95 masks aren't fully tested versions of the N95 mask. You can also get N95 masks on Amazon now....heck....I saw them in HomeDepot last time I was there too.

Here is a good article on the differences between the N95 and KN95, and towards the bottom are a list of KN95 masks that have been tested. I never tried cross referencing them....I figure a KN95 mask will always be WAY better than just a cloth mask.

N95 vs. KN95 Masks: What’s the Difference, and How Can They Protect You From Wildfires?

While COVID-19 is no longer as lethal, many variants continue to spread. And with an increased risk of wildfires in the world, you need to know how to find the right mask for you.

www.popularmechanics.com

 

[crazy4life]

@Julian Where are you getting your K95 masks? Are there any available on Amazon that are legit masks?

I have been using these for years. Plastic mesh frame. Works awesome and not stuck to your face. Go to large industrial supply houses and not amazon unless you like getting butt raped. They also have many others. I use item B and so do all my guys. All 150 of them.

McMaster-Carr

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[ripler]

I had a typo, I meant N95, sorry for the confusion.

Thanks for the replies.

 

[HangOutdoors]

I had a typo, I meant N95, sorry for the confusion.

Thanks for the replies.

NO worries bro, just didn't want you buying something that was wrong.

 

[Bluewater272]

Still different than a teacher using your location to see what you are doing and using that against you.

Like, what? Seriously? Give little Timmy a detention because he was smoking behind the gym instead of being in the lunchroom?

The point that seems to be escaping you is that they aren't tracking your location, they are tracking what other devices your device is in close proximity to. That way, if three days later some kid on your team gets a positive test and reports it to the school, they can see everyone who is potentially at risk and inform them so they may be tested, or told to go to school virtually for a few days, or whatever else.

 

[Julian]

Like, what? Seriously? Give little Timmy a detention because he was smoking behind the gym instead of being in the lunchroom?

The point that seems to be escaping you is that they aren't tracking your location, they are tracking what other devices your device is in close proximity to. That way, if three days later some kid on your team gets a positive test and reports it to the school, they can see everyone who is potentially at risk and inform them so they may be tested, or told to go to school virtually for a few days, or whatever else.

It is an interesting approach, but I can't imagine it being terribly helpful if you are only doing it for the Football team. Most of the kids on the team will have been near other kids on the team during a practice - or at least their sub-team (offense/defense etc). Imagine mapping their proximity. I think you'd end up with the same issue the Israelis had with their contact tracing app - too many false positives.

It might be more useful for when the whole football team had Covid - who else in the school did they possibly infect?

 

[MidnightRider]

I mean everyone is welcome to their own view and opinion in my book, but frankly I don't understand how someone takes the idea of mandatory monitoring in stride - this stuff makes my skin crawl. The whole environment lately makes me think of the frog in the boiling pot of water. Seems so harmless these little concessions in name of "keeping you safe". Just waiting for someone bring up the idea of removing kids from homes because the parents won't vaccinate them in the name of saving the kids. I'm being dramatic now? Maybe... maybe not. I fear more than the pandemic these days. This is quickly becoming a world of those that fall in line and those that need to be forced for their own good. And don't tell me about the "choice" you have to lose their job or get vaccinated - really?! Let me remind you that you can agree with something and still vehemently disagree with mandating it or forcing it on someone else, ESPECIALLY when it concerns your own body or the body of your children.

 

[Julian]

I mean everyone is welcome to their own view and opinion in my book, but frankly I don't understand how someone takes the idea of mandatory monitoring in stride - this stuff makes my skin crawl. The whole environment lately makes me think of the frog in the boiling pot of water. Seems so harmless these little concessions in name of "keeping you safe". Just waiting for someone bring up the idea of removing kids from homes because the parents won't vaccinate them in the name of saving the kids. I'm being dramatic now? Maybe... maybe not. I fear more than the pandemic these days. This is quickly becoming a world of those that fall in line and those that need to be forced for their own good. And don't tell me about the "choice" you have to lose their job or get vaccinated - really?! Let me remind you that you can agree with something and still vehemently disagree with mandating it or forcing it on someone else, ESPECIALLY when it concerns your own body or the body of your children.

What I read said parents had to opt in. Perhaps I misread that.

 

[tabbibus]

Nobody objects to Directly Observed Therapy for TB. Look it up. I guess it's not political enough.

 

[swatski]

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I mean everyone is welcome to their own view and opinion in my book, but frankly I don't understand how someone takes the idea of mandatory monitoring in stride - this stuff makes my skin crawl. The whole environment lately makes me think of the frog in the boiling pot of water. Seems so harmless these little concessions in name of "keeping you safe". Just waiting for someone bring up the idea of removing kids from homes because the parents won't vaccinate them in the name of saving the kids. I'm being dramatic now? Maybe... maybe not. I fear more than the pandemic these days. This is quickly becoming a world of those that fall in line and those that need to be forced for their own good. And don't tell me about the "choice" you have to lose their job or get vaccinated - really?! Let me remind you that you can agree with something and still vehemently disagree with mandating it or forcing it on someone else, ESPECIALLY when it concerns your own body or the body of your children.

Everything you say sounds kind of reasonable, but then when you think about it, it's really not. Mandatory vaccinations have been around for a very long time - for the military, for your kids to play sports, and to attend public schools, for hospital employees, etc. etc. - I wasn't even thinking about it until recently because it seemed like such a no-brainer but I had actually faced that very choice (get vaccinated - for seasonal flu - or go work somewhere else) for the last ten or so years of my twenty+ year tenure at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, MO, and their affiliated Barnes-Jewish Hospitals...

Location tracking... please! Unless you live inside a faraday cage, carry no electronics, ride a horse carriage, and wear full face mask and a hoodie there is no such thing as your privacy as far keeping your movements and your location private. My house's system of multiple wireless cameras we inherited from previous owner can tell me which neighbor is walking their dog - it knows them...
Yes, I gave up, and I just don't give a shit anymore.

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[MidnightRider]

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Everything you say sounds kind of reasonable, but then when you think about it, it's really not. Mandatory vaccinations have been around for a very long time - for the military, for your kids to play sports, and to attend public schools, for hospital employees, etc. etc. - I wasn't even thinking about it until recently because it seemed like such a no-brainer but I had actually faced that very choice (get vaccinated - for seasonal flu - or go work somewhere else) for the last ten or so years of my twenty+ year tenure at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, MO, and their affiliated Barnes-Jewish Hospitals...

Location tracking... please! Unless you live inside a faraday cage, carry no electronics, ride a horse carriage, and wear full face mask and a hoodie there is no such thing as your privacy as far keeping your movements and your location private. My house's system of multiple wireless cameras we inherited from previous owner can tell me which neighbor is walking their dog - it knows them...
Yes, I gave up, and I just don't give a shit anymore.

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Yeah your right I should just roll over. Strap a monitor on all my kids, everything is fine. I mean my kids needed vaccines to go to school, so what's the big deal if I now have to show my papers at the door of a restaurants in order to eat - why fight it. I mean why push back on anything, what's the use. The consessions that the generations before me gave up is a good example of how I should just lay down for the next phase. You talk about privacy/tracking, this line of thinking over generations is the very reason that privacy, which should be a huge deal, is a complete joke now. Nobody cares until someday it touches something that is a big deal to THEM. This is NOT about vaccines and monitors damn it! This is about over reach and yes it has been happening for generations - but the point is it is happening right now, and again so many are like - its for our own safety and/or convenience, so it will be fine.

 

[swatski]

Yeah your right I should just roll over. Strap a monitor on all my kids, everything is fine. I mean my kids needed vaccines to go to school, so what's the big deal if I now have to show my papers at the door of a restaurants in order to eat - why fight it. I mean why push back on anything, what's the use. The consessions that the generations before me gave up is a good example of how I should just lay down for the next phase. You talk about privacy/tracking, this line of thinking over generations is the very reason that privacy, which should be a huge deal, is a complete joke now. Nobody cares until someday it touches something that is a big deal to THEM. This is NOT about vaccines and monitors damn it! This is about over reach and yes it has been happening for generations - but the point is it is happening right now, and again so many are like - its for our own safety and/or convenience, so it will be fine.

Yes, I think you are quite correct. I think you could legitimately, and quite correctly, say that as far as those things like privacy - we are, basically, fucked.

But then, 1. you would be stating the obvious, and 2. it is depressing.

I have learned over the years there is a lot of truth in the old adage: if you focus on the problem, the problem gets bigger; if you focus on the solution, the solution gets bigger.

I force myself to focus on solutions, it does not work very well, but it is better than the alternative. Also why I boat, to get away from all the bullshit.

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[Bruce]

Nobody objects to Directly Observed Therapy for TB. Look it up. I guess it's not political enough.

My Mother was exposed to TB as a child. She was taken away from her family to the Arkansas State Tuberculosis Sanatorium for a period of months. She is not aware of ever having symptoms but in her 50s she voluntarily underwent Directly Observed Therapy to renew her teaching license.

 

[MidnightRider]

Yes, I think you are quite correct. I think you could legitimately, and quite correctly, say that as far as those things like privacy - we are, basically, fucked.

But then, 1. you would be stating the obvious, and 2. it is depressing.

I have learned over the years there is a lot of truth in the old adage: if you focus on the problem, the problem gets bigger; if you focus on the solution, the solution gets bigger.

I force myself to focus on solutions, it does not work very well, but it is better than the alternative. Also why I boat, to get away from all the bullshit.

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Yes, something we can agree 100% on - boating is the best way to get away from all the bullshit!

 

[Bruce]

Speaking of boating and bullshit. I believe we all can agree that this is bullshit. Hopefully it is just the bearing.

 

[scbruet]

Yeah your right I should just roll over. Strap a monitor on all my kids, everything is fine. I mean my kids needed vaccines to go to school, so what's the big deal if I now have to show my papers at the door of a restaurants in order to eat - why fight it. I mean why push back on anything, what's the use. The consessions that the generations before me gave up is a good example of how I should just lay down for the next phase. You talk about privacy/tracking, this line of thinking over generations is the very reason that privacy, which should be a huge deal, is a complete joke now. Nobody cares until someday it touches something that is a big deal to THEM. This is NOT about vaccines and monitors damn it! This is about over reach and yes it has been happening for generations - but the point is it is happening right now, and again so many are like - its for our own safety and/or convenience, so it will be fine.

I get your point, but we've always had to show papers to get a beer and enter clubs before covid. Those trackers also don't show your location, they just show who were next to that tested positive and how many times you had close contact. Not exactly where that close contact was.

 

[Evil Sports]

I get your point, but we've always had to show papers to get a beer and enter clubs before covid.

Dont start with that because you dont need an ID to vote

 

[Bruce]

Dont start with that because you dont need an ID to vote

That is veering way in the politics. However I have never been able to vote without an ID or register to vote without an ID.

 

[scbruet]

Dont start with that because you dont need an ID to vote

Voting is a constitutional right though and you need to register to do that.
And don't start with what? Do you not have to prove your age via a piece of paper to enter clubs and buy alcohol? I don't like this as much as the next guy, but the "showing papers" line is just meant to fire people up when it's something you're already doing quite often for the same tasks.

 

[MidnightRider]

I get your point, but we've always had to show papers to get a beer and enter clubs before covid. Those trackers also don't show your location, they just show who were next to that tested positive and how many times you had close contact. Not exactly where that close contact was.

Why is it that the justification FOR more a restrictive life or more over-reach is always past and current restrictions? I wasn't trying to fire people up with "papers" talk - its not even about the "papers" its about what you are forced to do to get the papers. Some day vaccination passports will be the old use case to justify the new generation of restrictions - this is how this works.