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I don't think it's so much an issue of size but the location. The forward location is catching the water right off the side of the haul which closer in design to other wake wedges currently on the market.
I think this wake booster thing works differently. Sort of scoops the water instead of smoothing it. Looks like it creates a bigger wave than stock but not as clean as what the wedge makes. Maybe they can be used together.
Right now their only competition is Gatlin Wedge, so coming close on price is a must if they want to grab a market share (or at least get first few customers outside of the new 2019 X model buyers). After they test the waters/invention in the wild... anything can happen.
I wouldn't bet against the Wake Wedge (Gatlin) at this point. The Gatlin works so well, the guys really hit the nail on the head with it - on many levels.
I’ve been researching boats for about a year now and I’m almost ready to pull the trigger. My wife and I where set on an AR240 but with the price increase would you say that there’s a better 23-24’ 12 passenger boat similarly equipped with a wake tower? Budget is no more than $60k for a new boat.
The AR240 is still hard to beat if you must go new. It's hard to judge because you will likely be paying MSRP or close to it for a new Yamaha, but probably not so with other manufacturers. It really depends on what you want to do. I mean you get a waketower but you aren't buying a wakeboat.
I think the reason people are so critical is they are always expecting major changes and when that doesn't happen they get mad. I think they update their boats just as much as anyone, but Yamaha has less options in the way of color, configuration, and engine choice. So we are always stuck with what Yamaha chooses for us. When the new release comes out and they don't change things to our particular taste we get upset.
The other issue this year is the major price increase for what seems like relatively low return on investment. This is actually good for 2017-18 owners bad for new buyers. They sell out every year so they are just following supply and demand. At some point it will reach a natural tipping point and they will have to address pricing and or fit and finish.
Also, you need to realize that we don’t really know the backgrounds of those who post here. I’m quickly learning there is a ton of trolling happening here as on any discussion group. Those who are negative could very well be dealers selling other brands. As for the annual price increases, given current White House and tariff scares as well as inflation risks and rising interest rates, Yamaha as well as any other manufacturer has to cover their financial risks. You only can set an annual MSRP once a year!! Like it or not, we Americans will be seeing higher prices, higher interest rates, and higher risk factors so long as we are starting tariff wars with countries around the world.
I don't think it's so much an issue of size but the location. The forward location is catching the water right off the side of the haul which closer in design to other wake wedges currently on the market.
I think this wake booster thing works differently. Sort of scoops the water instead of smoothing it. Looks like it creates a bigger wave than stock but not as clean as what the wedge makes. Maybe they can be used together.
Correct, this is NOT the wedge concept, but a Scarab Surf Stream. Still the only competition to the Wedge, as far as commercially available wake enhancers for Yamaha.
Any review videos or write-ups on what the new reverse setup is supposed to do? Curious if Yamaha improved the situation or made matters worse by making them incompatible with JPBs LTs.
Yes it is. The idea with this device, likewise the Surf Stream, is to "swamp" the jet wash with water scooped up from behind and under the stern surf side.
This is distinct from both Gatlin wedge and delayed convergence systems. Very attractive, if it works. The Scarab SUrf Stream gets mixed reviews - at best.
The AR240 is still hard to beat if you must go new. It's hard to judge because you will likely be paying MSRP or close to it for a new Yamaha, but probably not so with other manufacturers. It really depends on what you want to do. I mean you get a waketower but you aren't buying a wakeboat.
The AR240 is still hard to beat if you must go new. It's hard to judge because you will likely be paying MSRP or close to it for a new Yamaha, but probably not so with other manufacturers. It really depends on what you want to do. I mean you get a waketower but you aren't buying a wakeboat.
We’ll mostly be cruising with guests, floating, swimming, tubing, skiing and maybe wakeboard. I want the wake tower for the bimini top which seems sturdier and can be left up most of the time as opposed to say a sx240 style? The sportier looks help too!
We’ll mostly be cruising with guests, floating, swimming, tubing, skiing and maybe wakeboard. I want the wake tower for the bimini top which seems sturdier and can be left up most of the time as opposed to say a sx240 style? The sportier looks help too!
I agree the tower adds a sport look that's very appealing. For just general bowrider runabout stuff I think the Yamaha AR240 is still a great value, compared to the competition. All new 24' boats are going to be expensive, but I think the AR240 keeps costs down by not putting a lot of luxury in stock. A lot of 24' bowriders are either high end which is out of my price range or low end which is out of my comfort range especially if you are only looking new.
Wondering if that is the add-on price or stand alone price? Could be the package add-on price for a new boat purchase in which case they can hid the extra cost in the boat final price. Could be that a $990 add-on package will be $1500 stand alone in the store.
I'll be willing to be that Yamaha hasn't disclosed all their secrets yet. What I mean is that there is a chance Yamaha left something undisclosed to their dealer network and it won't be unveiled until the show. When I use to work for Bombardier (many moons ago) they usually left something for surprise (like a new model or features) just for the dealer show. It usually hyped up the dealers. These shows are not just shows...this is where Yamaha sells their inventory to their dealer network. There might me something new unveiled at the dealer show that nobody knows about yet, except Yamaha.
I agree..... a good board can get pretty pricy (say 500), add another 50-100 for a rope and we’re looking less than 500 bucks for the attachment... sure, that’s expensive for what it is.... but, considering it’s a genuine accessory I’m thinking it’s below what I had expected
Especially when compared to market.... if I it does a decent job and I can go ropeless for 1000 bucks all in, including board, it’s hard to beat. I can only imagine adding additional ballast would make it even better.
May not preform quite as well as the wedge (or maybe it will, dont know yet) but for the price I can see it being a hot ticket
disclaimer: Canadian here, so just rough usd estimates... waiting on Canadian Dollar price and retrofitability from dealer now.
I'll be willing to be that Yamaha hasn't disclosed all their secrets yet. What I mean is that there is a chance Yamaha left something undisclosed to their dealer network and it won't be unveiled until the show. When I use to work for Bombardier (many moons ago) they usually left something for surprise (like a new model or features) just for the dealer show. It usually hyped up the dealers. These shows are not just shows...this is where Yamaha sells their inventory to their dealer network. There might me something new unveiled at the dealer show that nobody knows about yet, except Yamaha.
Yamaha has created the 2019 line up to appeal to "NET NEW" customers and a potential Yamaha owner that may be looking to upgrade. The most likely Yamaha owners to upgrade would be those of us with boats prior to 2015. Sorry, but there are only so many folks on here that buy a new boat every year or even every other year.
So taking that with a grain of salt, they hit the checkbox on many of the things that the owners of the previous 2-3 years have bitched about, or gone to the aftermarket for.
I think this is spot on. They addressed all my current complaints, especially with the hinged seats. I use the heck out of the storage under the rear seat they got rid of though and the extra 3in length would make my garage at least extremely close. The goal is to upgrade to the AR240 in two more years but if I was only going to get another 19ft I would be happy with the improvements.