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It appears case #s are down across the country, but what I want to know is of the current cases how many are people in peril. Have a positive vs being gravely ill are 2 hugely different circumstances. Is it possible it has mutated into a still contagious but lesser dangerous strain?
 

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It appears case #s are down across the country, but what I want to know is of the current cases how many are people in peril. Have a positive vs being gravely ill are 2 hugely different circumstances. Is it possible it has mutated into a still contagious but lesser dangerous strain?
Strongly suggest you look at the daily reports from the COVID Tracking Project:
Their daily snapshot provides a solid, summary look at most of the important data (uodates approx 7:00 pm ET, daily):
 

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Can you explain why you say this? Honestly looking for an expert perspective.
The core of scientific research and communication is peer review, which this obviously isn't subject to. Anyone can publish anything on Zenodo - I could print this thread to PDF and title it "Coalescion of marine experts' review of existing data related to COVID-19 and US Pandemic Response" and it would be published.

The point about this not being research is this: its not research. She and her colleagues are simply musing about the ways in which this could be accomplished in a lab, whereas actual reviews of the sequence of the virus have clearly shown that effects of manipulation are not present within its genome. People making claims such as this would actually demonstrate the methods involved and the resulting sequence modifications that would yield an identical code absent the markers of manipulations.

In the time frame they specified they could have accomplished many of these tasks independently, if not as a whole, and offered a synthetically derived version of SARS-CoV-2 either in its entirety or in part. Peers would then review the methods and attempt to replicate. It's the underpinning of science. Moreover, you'll note the absolute dearth of references to the claims they make. One of the points key to the central thesis of why this could not be naturally occurring is the the ACE2 inhibitor is not sufficiently conserved between bats and humans, so therefore the spike protein could never have naturally occurred with a high enough affinity to the receptor binding domain for human infection, never mind the fact that this already occurred in our recent history, and has been demonstrated in other coronaviruses in the bat population that emerged prior to SARS. She purports that much of this manipulation can be done with basic restriction enzyme digestion and recombination with EcoR1, shit that I did in high school nearly 20 years ago, and yet this would not be perceptible by the all of the peer-reviewed work that's been published to date? Even the language of the article is frankly laughable compared to the norms of research. I think I lost count of how many times I came across astonishingly, conveniently, and strikingly (and a littany of other adverbs), alongside the big underlined smoking gun.

Bias matters. Look at who wrote it, what they have to gain by it, who published it and what they have to gain by it, and you're left with a bucket of pseudoscience that puts some things in clear language that will serve only to distract and divide, while the meat of it in language that the vast majority of readers will have no fundamental (let alone technical) understanding of, and its primed for a misinformation campaign and soundbites to fly through social media - which not astonishingly, has gone like wildfire.

Expert?? Good luck with that
Cute. I'm not an expert by any means, but I'd wager I have the education, training, and experience to understand more of that text than most folks here.

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Edit for Julian: BTW, my general tone is not directed at you, at all.
 
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The core of scientific research and communication is peer review, which this obviously isn't subject to. Anyone can publish anything on Zenodo - I could print this thread to PDF and title it "Coalescion of marine experts' review of existing data related to COVID-19 and US Pandemic Response" and it would be published.

The point about this not being research is this: its not research. She and her colleagues are simply musing about the ways in which this could be accomplished in a lab, whereas actual reviews of the sequence of the virus have clearly shown that effects of manipulation are not present within its genome. People making claims such as this would actually demonstrate the methods involved and the resulting sequence modifications that would yield an identical code absent the markers of manipulations.

In the time frame they specified they could have accomplished many of these tasks independently, if not as a whole, and offered a synthetically derived version of SARS-CoV-2 either in its entirety or in part. Peers would then review the methods and attempt to replicate. It's the underpinning of science. Moreover, you'll note the absolute dearth of references to the claims they make. One of the points key to the central thesis of why this could not be naturally occurring is the the ACE2 inhibitor is not sufficiently conserved between bats and humans, so therefore the spike protein could never have naturally occurred with a high enough affinity to the receptor binding domain for human infection, never mind the fact that this already occurred in our recent history, and has been demonstrated in other coronaviruses in the bat population that emerged prior to SARS. She purports that much of this manipulation can be done with basic restriction enzyme digestion and recombination with EcoR1, shit that I did in high school nearly 20 years ago, and yet this would not be perceptible by the all of the peer-reviewed work that's been published to date? Even the language of the article is frankly laughable compared to the norms of research. I think I lost count of how many times I came across astonishingly, conveniently, and strikingly (and a littany of other adverbs), alongside the big underlined smoking gun.

Bias matters. Look at who wrote it, what they have to gain by it, who published it and what they have to gain by it, and you're left with a bucket of pseudoscience that puts some things in clear language that will serve only to distract and divide, while the meat of it in language that the vast majority of readers will have no fundamental (let alone technical) understanding of, and its primed for a misinformation campaign and soundbites to fly through social media - which not astonishingly, has gone like wildfire.



Cute. I'm not an expert by any means, but I'd wager I have the education, training, and experience to understand more of that text than most folks here.
Yo. God bless you for taking the time to write all that. I’ve given up on tons of conversations already. And yeah. I agree with you. And that’s all I have to say about that.
 

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Sorry Sean but you get no points for being the smartest guy on the message board, even if you did whats that get you.
I must live in a fantasy world as the numbers here are not so staggering.
  • Baystate Franklin Medical Center: 1 patient, 1 ICU
Hampden County:

  • Baystate Medical Center: 24 patients, 2 ICU
  • Baystate Noble Hospital: 1 patient
  • Baystate Wing Hospital: 2 patients
  • Holyoke Hospital: 4 patients
  • Mercy Medical Center: 4 patients, 1 ICU
Hampshire County:

  • Cooley Dickinson Hospital: 0
 

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Sorry Sean but you get no points for being the smartest guy on the message board, even if you did whats that get you.
I must live in a fantasy world as the numbers here are not so staggering.
  • Baystate Franklin Medical Center: 1 patient, 1 ICU
Hampden County:

  • Baystate Medical Center: 24 patients, 2 ICU
  • Baystate Noble Hospital: 1 patient
  • Baystate Wing Hospital: 2 patients
  • Holyoke Hospital: 4 patients
  • Mercy Medical Center: 4 patients, 1 ICU
Hampshire County:

  • Cooley Dickinson Hospital: 0
Thank God, you're not one of them.
 

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Sorry Sean but you get no points for being the smartest guy on the message board, even if you did whats that get you.
Nice. I'm not, nor do I claim to be. I'd like to point out when people are sharing obvious bullshit. Don't care to know? You do you, boo.

I must live in a fantasy world as the numbers here are not so staggering.
  • Baystate Franklin Medical Center: 1 patient, 1 ICU
Hampden County:

  • Baystate Medical Center: 24 patients, 2 ICU
  • Baystate Noble Hospital: 1 patient
  • Baystate Wing Hospital: 2 patients
  • Holyoke Hospital: 4 patients
  • Mercy Medical Center: 4 patients, 1 ICU
Hampshire County:

  • Cooley Dickinson Hospital: 0
*gasp* Do you mean that not every area is impacted in the same way at the same time? No way. Fake news. China Virus is a Faux Virus!
 

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and you sell yourself as the smart guy?
No, he's actually said he's not. Let's keep it civil and not about personal stuff.

I appreciate someone who knows more about the science than I do, giving me their opinion. And it is just that....his opinion.
 
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So my Son’s good friend (18 years old) just tested positive after a week of being sick. As a result my Son, Wife and I Maybe getting tested. I say maybe because we have to be interviewed by phone separately first to determine if we will be tested. Since we are 6 months into this I expected my healthcare provider who is also my employer to simply give me an address to be tested at on a walk in basis. I assumed that getting tested would be easy, clearly my assumption is incorrect.
 

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My sister had an interesting situation happen with her coworker. Her coworker's daughter who lives at home became ill and ended up testing positive. The coworker was supposed to quarantine at home home for 2 weeks due to her potential exposure. My sister was surprised when she returned to work to see her coworker there after only 1 week. She was a little upset because she works directly with the woman. After further inquiry, she found out that the woman's daughter went and was tested at 2 other testing facilities and the results of the 2 subsequent tests came back as negative... so did she have it or not?

Same sister had another coworker she'd been in direct contact with become ill and test positive last month. A couple days later my sister ends up ill with flu-like symptoms. She went was tested and the results were negative. Were they really?

This whole scenario we have ourselves in is so frustratingly fickle, who knows what's really going on. I don't doubt the reality of a pandemic virus, but I thought we had this testing thing fairly figured out. Maybe everyone needs to be tested 3 times and best out if 3 wins? 🙄
 

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My wife, Son and I just got tested, it was a first time for all of us. We drove up at our appointment time, showed our IDs and membership cards, rolled down our windows as/when instructed and got our tongues and both nostrils swabbed . It was uncomfortable but no more so than a flu shot. I estimate the total procedure time for me was between 15 to 30 seconds. Results should be available / sent to us via email within 48 to 96 hours (2 to 4 days) of the procedure.

After having the experience I feel for the techs that have to administer the tests. By the nature of their jobs they are at highe risk of contracting COVID 19 but they also have to consict the tests in bad weather sometimes. The weather is nice today but a few weeks ago we were in a heat wave. It had to suck doing a shift in a tent/carport set up on an asphalt parking lot where 66% of the test time is spent Picking the nose of the person being tested. I don’t know what techs get paid but I doubt it is enough for me. Thankfully someone else is willing to do the job.
 
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