Russia Invades Ukraine AND Chinese Aircraft Enter Taiwan Airspace

[the MfM]

Interesting that no one has mentioned nord stream 2.

 

[haknslash]

@haknslash, I am not tired of moderating. You can post without inserting the political BS. Show us that you can do it.

Getting back on topic

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2022/03/04/uss-truman-aircraft-join-buildup-of-nato-air-policing-patrols-over-eastern-europe/

Ok so what adjectives, nouns or verbs can we use to describe these people and hold them accountable for their actions? How are we supposed to communicate if we can’t describe these people? They should not be untouchable for discussion nor holding them accountable for their actions. See Russia and China as examples.

There are a lot of people in Russia that have no clue what is going on in Ukraine. I watched an interview of Russian civilians last night and many of the older generation don’t believe Putin would invade Ukraine nor believe they bombed civilians. The younger generation’s opinions seeemd to be opposite because they’re more in touch with online communities. The younger generation of Russians withheld their judgment to speak out because they know it’s dangerous to do so in Russia. We don’t need to devolve to that in our country but we are certainly headed that way.

 

[Bruce]

Ok so what adjectives, nouns or verbs can we use to describe these people and hold them accountable for their actions? How are we supposed to communicate if we can’t describe these people?

This has been documented in https://jetboaters.net/threads/politics-religion-and-other-volatile-topics.1801/ since 2014.

You are not a new member who is unfamiliar with the concept of avoiding partisan political statements on this forum.

There are plenty of places to express your political opinions outside of our boating forum.

 

[Julian]

If you don't understand how to post in a non partisan manner, then stop posting in these threads and do it on your FB page instead.

It sure does seem that all the actions being taken are against Russian citizens and companies, so they will likely have the exact opposite effect intended. They'll likely come across as western aggression towards Russians than anything else.

How would Americans react if a foreign power attempted to shut them down from the world economy because we did something they didn't like. Imagine if when JOHN Cena said he was going to the country of Taiwan of China had reacted by halting sales of any Chinese goods in the US, how would it come across? An aggressive trade war action against the US, or payback for John Cena?

We are going about this all wrong to actually sway Putin, as are the rest of the west, because they don't want to piss off Russia and that supply of gas they need.

Their supply of gas is immaterial (3% of US consumption)

I look at this incursion no differently than the one into Kuwait. If I channel a xenophobe .... this is a European country with a predominantly white population vs an Arab country. I would think Americans would be far more up in arms about this. Perhaps decades of war in the sand has dulled our sense of leadership?

 

[Bruce]

@BlkGS I agree that sanctions are a double, or more, edged sword. They will hurt all of the Russian people however most sanctions have been crafted to be focused on wealthier Russians.

I have not seen reporting on major increases in inflation in Russia. It may be true that for the average Russian shopping for groceries that 1 ruble still buys what 1 ruble bought the week before.

Informing the Russian population on what is occurring would benefit the Ukrainian people. Russians using VPNs already have a good understanding but how to reach those who only have TV is a difficult question. The BBC resuming shortwave broadcasting is a step in that direction. BBC resurrects WWII-era shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

 

[haknslash]

This has been documented in https://jetboaters.net/threads/politics-religion-and-other-volatile-topics.1801/ since 2014.

You are not a new member who is unfamiliar with the concept of avoiding partisan political statements on this forum.

There are plenty of places to express your political opinions outside of our boating forum.

I’m asking for clarification. That thread y’all link does not clearly define what adjectives, nouns etc we can or can’t use. Again, how are we able to communicate the ineptness and failures we have as a nation if we can’t openly discuss these topics without carefully curated, peer reviewed and pruned dialogue?

As for my opinion on politics, I’m welcome to voice it here since politics are allowed. What isn’t clear to me is how you want the dialogue to go without rebuttal or at least using some adjectives along the way. Nobody is saying anything remotely offensive, unless of course someone is easily offended. The way it’s laid out is unless your pumping sunshine you can’t say anything without possible recourse. Believe it or not, I actually restrain a lot of my opinion on here and try my best to stay within your rules, even if some rules are a bit murky or gray area.

Never in a million years would I think the word clown would be so offensive to call for such moderation. Lord knows people have been called much worse. Yet here we are. I will just have to put this thread on my ignore list like the horrible COVID threads. I’m going back outside to be productive cleaning up my yard. Y’all have fun taking and fantasizing about of senseless wars.

 

[Bruce]

Possibly a Stinger put to good use.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1500516392763801608

 

[Bruce]

Looks like Ukrainian artillery or air scored some hits.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1500493217183289347

 

[John McLaughlin]

Just something to think about

Today, I found myself complaining about the rising cost of fuel and then I remembered I’d never had to run from missiles.
I worried if I needed to stock up on a few staples and then realized I’d never had to send my children to school with their blood type taped on their backs.
I shook my head at the thought of our young men and women headed overseas and then remembered that for the Ukrainians war showed up on their doorsteps.
Then I decided- I won’t sit in my house in suburbia and brood over the downward turn of the stock market while people are literally facing death.
Instead I’m going to pray. I know that God will hear from heaven, he will lean down to listen when I pray. The Bible tells me that. I’m going to pray that whatever evil intends that God would turn it around for His glory. I’m going to pray that good would overcome evil and that it would happen sooner rather than later. I’m going to pray that God would hear the cry of every lost soul facing a war they didn’t want and come to their rescue. I’m praying for the overwhelming, supernatural presence of God Almighty in every corner of the world tonight.
I came here to ask if you’d pray with me. Let’s fill the throne room with our voices as we call out for our brothers and sisters in Ukraine. May God hear our prayers and turn this whole thing around.
If He can shut the mouths of hungry lions, split an entire sea in half and raise the dead- He can surely save Ukraine.

 

[BlkGS]

If you don't understand how to post in a non partisan manner, then stop posting in these threads and do it on your FB page instead.


Their supply of gas is immaterial (3% of US consumption)

I look at this incursion no differently than the one into Kuwait. If I channel a xenophobe .... this is a European country with a predominantly white population vs an Arab country. I would think Americans would be far more up in arms about this. Perhaps decades of war in the sand has dulled our sense of leadership?

The supply of gas to us is immaterial, but not to Europe. Russia heats and powers most of Europe.

Our sense of leadership died circa 2004. A few years before that we made the call to go into Iraq because a maniac was gassing people like crazy, and the "thought leaders" said it was for oil, because GWB was a dumb southerner, etc etc. Since then, losing American lives over "the right thing" just doesn't make sense. Add in that the benefits of that leadership meant a lot more when we were the major exporter, and that leadership kept our goods flowing out freely (vs now where we are suckling at the tweet of Chinese imports), that doesn't incentivize it much.

Ignoring the whole world ending possibilities of a full on war with Russia, it'd be a disaster at home. We are already dealing with massive inflation from the govt pumping in massive amounts of brand new money. We are already dealing with a labor shortage across all sectors of manufacturing and transportation. And we're also pretty sure we are behind some adversaries in terms of missile technology and other aspects. Imagine if a hypersonic missile took out an aircraft carrier, beyond the sheer loss of life and assets, the destruction of that aura of American military superiority would be DEVASTATING. If your ability to project power is easily defeated by a new missile tech as we suspect it could be, your leadership is gone.

So really, nothing to gain, everything to lose. Let the Germans worry about it, they have skin in the game.

 

[Ohio]

China is a massive problem too! But this thread is about the Ukraine. I type this on my Samsung (made in South Korea)....in part because I hate Apple, but also in part because iphones are mostly produced in China. Are you willing to dump your iPhone?
China is indeed a more dangerous threat to the US, but sanctions alone on Russia aren't enough. We are pussies if we don't do more to support the Ukraine.

Have you ever been to war? Sent your kids to war?

 

[Ohio]

Again....so you think the Clinton administration was wrong in trying to disarm the Ukraine when it was a Puppet state run by Russia? Things have changed over time....so have the politics.

The hard part is the transition period. You get a democratically elected President, yet still have corruption issues. Do you open the free flow of arms....of course not. Which is why they don't have a solid air defense system. We didn't want to give them our top technology.....yet. Catch-22.

There will always be corruption there, it is baked into the culture. Bottom line is that our meddling there created a weak state that Putin figured he could take back.

 

[RobbieO]

By tomorrow, diesel fuel will be near $6 a gallon in CA. Feel free to GoFundMe. Thanks. ?

 

[Bruce]

Russians are “armoring” their rear echelon.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44604/desperate-russian-rear-area-troops-are-armoring-their-vehicles-with-wood-logs?

 

[zipper]

Just out in the woods and I had a thought, smell something burning? With all of the hype prior to the 5G rollout screwing with aircraft altimeters and giving wrong readings...if we won't support a no fly zone with our own equipment, how about sending Verizon over there and see what damage they can do with 5G at night. You can tell it can get boring walking the mainlines looking for vacuum leaks. I am only half kidding. Or was all that hysteria for not.

 

[Julian]

Just out in the woods and I had a thought, smell something burning? With all of the hype prior to the 5G rollout screwing with aircraft altimeters and giving wrong readings...if we won't support a no fly zone with our own equipment, how about sending Verizon over there and see what damage they can do with 5G at night. You can tell it can get boring walking the mainlines looking for vacuum leaks. I am only half kidding. Or was all that hysteria for not.

5G only interferes with Automated Landing Systems - if the Russians are dependent on that, they have bigger issues! LOL

Just keep sending them a shit ton of Stinger anti air craft missiles!

Russian helicopter shot down by Ukrainian Stinger missile caught on cam; experts discuss details

A video showing a Ukranian Stinger missile shooting down a Russian helicopter near Kyiv was accessed by India Today. Experts discuss the details of the video and the current situation of the war in Ukraine on day 10 of the Russian invasion. Watch the video to know more.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

Here's an interesting article from Radio Free Europe that I stumbled across, "Why China Won't Rescue Russia's Flailing Economy"

Jim

 

[HangOutdoors]

If Russia takes a beating in this War and their economy tanks, China could pick up some free/cheap land or just take it if they wanted to.

 

[Bruce]

Another Russian general lost.

Ukraine says it killed a 2nd top Russian general and released audio of apparent call between 2 FSB agents discussing the death

Maj. Gen. Vitaly Gerasimov, the first deputy commander of Russia's 41st army, was killed in Kharkiv on Monday, Ukraine's defense ministry said.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Julian]

There's butt loads of people that would say our elections aren't fair either.

Most of our news nowdays is spread by for profit companies helmed by billionaires with egos. They all have a cause and a bias. They use their power over information to give people a truth to believe, while the power of algorithms divides and radicalized people.

We have a ruling class that decides what is appropriate to be said and by whom
Celebrities literally pretending to kill the last president was OK, but people saying "Please read https://jetboaters.net/threads/politics-religion-and-other-volatile-topics.1801/" is considered crude now. If they don't like what you say, you get shut down. Let's not forget that the ruling technocrats literally SILENCED THE SITTING US PRESIDENT. Ignoring if he should have been using them as a platform in the first place, they made a very loud statement that they will silence ANYONE.

This is all ignoring the fact that US elections are effectively bought rather than won...

We were talking about Russia's "Democracy". Not really the same level of issues in the US vs Russia. No one running for US office has been murdered, poisoned, imprisoned etc.

Is the US approach perfect? - NO FREAKIN WAY. We have oligarchs just like the Russians do - our "peasants" are sold the same crap as Russian peasants - hard work will get you opportunity (trickle down). Fortunately corruption here is far easier to blow a whistle on - and that alone does make a HUGE difference - and helps keep the playing field more fair.

We do still have legal (should be illegal) monopolies that many people know nothing about (like the 3 tier system of alcohol distribution) - old money making sure the regulations maintain the status quo so their illegal monopoly keeps them in their Yachts!