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Are you reading a different thread than the rest of us? He has great information, and presents it in a very analytical manner......then follows it up with shitty indirect insults.
Lighten up man it was a joke and it wasn't hostile. Another thing if I were to park in a EV charging spot it isn't illegal. Boy from reading through your comments you sure get defensive about your "environmentally friendly" vehicles.Would you be "pissed" if you went to use a gas station and people were parked there?
How about if you were handicapped and people parked in those spots?
I'll never understand the hostility some people have toward others.
I thought his point was valid as I'm sure people do it. I have not personally seen it but people do strange things... A lot of EV parking (here) is only for EV cars. Others will be fined and or towed. Just like handicap spots.Lighten up man it was a joke and it wasn't hostile. Another thing if I were to park in a EV charging spot it isn't illegal. Boy from reading through your comments you sure get defensive about your "environmentally friendly" vehicles.
No we just key your car or flatten a tire lol. Many horse owners also said they would never own a car.I will never own an electric vehicle, but I do have a question. Do EV drivers get pissed when I park in those prime parking spots that just so happen to be a charge station?
Hate seeing stuff (good conversation turn to hell) like this. You both had valid points but at some point it's okay to disagree. IMO you both carried it too far and you're still trying to prove your point. Can we move on? Please?For some reason, I found myself perusing the Tesla Owners Forum.
I found a thread where actual, current owners are discussing their Real World range performance.
“Actual Tesla X mileage numbers.”
The responses range from a low of 200 miles in winter, up to one person claiming 325 miles.
That seems like a wide variation.
That being said, I would like to make my apologies to the group for kicking off this brouhaha.
I will concede that is mathematically possible to make my required trip, if I make arrangements to charge at Mom’s.
I stand by my original (inflammatory) post, stating :
There is not one single charging station located on my desired (fastest) route.
When Henry Ford invented the Horseless Carriage, there wasn’t a gas station on every corner either.
Great post. Sure thing I would love an inexpensive SX190 equivalent of Tesla for my daily commute! LolTo your point @robert843 in the early days of automobiles it was impractical to own a car especially in rural America. Dirt roads that turned to mud in the rain, limited fuel availability, unreliable mechanical systems all contributed to the stigma. We are in those early days of EV’s right now, and for many, petroleum fuel powered vehicles make the most sense. The writing is on the wall though, and eventually those things will change. Hopefully other manufacturers will get on board, because until they do we will continue to see Tesla produce expensive (for what they are) vehicles AND have a monopoly on the charging infrastructure.
This brings me to my second point, which is why does Tesla not produce a basic EV without the gimmicky stuff thrown in? Could they not take a model 3, strip all the self driving, self fetching in a parking lot, overly complex climate control, and design a basic transportation vehicle that performs similarly to a 3 but at half the price? I get the feeling they add in all the frivolities to make it a more upscale vehicle to justify the price, but bottom line 90% of consumers shop based on price. Want to sell the entire planet EV’s? Then make them $20,000. In places like India and China they’ll have to be even cheaper (especially once China’s economy starts to go). Again no animus towards EV’s in general, just something to ponder.
I think you’re right. Everyone knows the real money is in the data and not the hardware.Great post. Sure thing I would love an inexpensive SX190 equivalent of Tesla for my daily commute! Lol
But I don’t think that’s what they are after.
They are after collecting data for self driving, and I believe they are ahead.
Because there is no market for it really here in the US yet. The $40,000 base price Model 3 absolutely destroys sales of the Nissan Leaf which can be picked up in the $20's brand new after rebates and dealer discounts all day long. I think if Nissan Leafs were flying off the shelf Tesla would respond with the a car in that price range. Nissan has really come a long way with theirs as well now getting over 200 miles range but I think they are often ignored as they released the leaf to early when they first came out with it the car only had 60 miles range and slow charge times which is impractical for most. Had they waited till they had it worked out that it had 200+ mile range and could charge faster it would probably be a direct competitor with the model 3. Nissan should probably rebadge the Leaf give it a few tweaks, facelift and rename it and I bet with the right marketing plan it could compete with Tesla.This brings me to my second point, which is why does Tesla not produce a basic EV without the gimmicky stuff thrown in? Could they not take a model 3, strip all the self driving, self fetching in a parking lot, overly complex climate control, and design a basic transportation vehicle that performs similarly to a 3 but at half the price? I get the feeling they add in all the frivolities to make it a more upscale vehicle to justify the price, but bottom line 90% of consumers shop based on price. Want to sell the entire planet EV’s? Then make them $20,000.
Or if you have installed solar and batteries, no one controls you.So in a few generations anyone who controls the power grid controls everyone. It ok nothing can go wrong go wrong gowong gwong geog go g...
Day 2 of no power in the pic and there will be no gas stations if there is not enough cars to support them, gas will be sold through walmart for $10 a gal like they sell kerosene for in plastic jugs.View attachment 107456